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To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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OlennasWimple · 04/12/2018 14:02

I'm one of the most woolly liberal lefties there is...and I'd be happy to see this man die in prison. I could be persuaded that he should be released at the age of 87 when so severely ill that he was bed-bound and expected to have 3-4 weeks of life left.

Now? Nah. No way.

Ngaio2 · 04/12/2018 14:03

I am very concerned about his motives for killing. The authorities at the time suggested it a sadistic paedophilic crime but that it could not be proved. His excuse was flimsy and he killed each child in a different way which would have taken time. This was not a sudden flash of temper/frustration caused by a child crying. The Parole Boards argument that the Killer now has greater insight and is able to control himself when frustrated is thus irrelevant to the question of why he did it and whether he is likely to do it again. Personally, I think the risk is way too high
I’d welcome a petition to oppose his release

MulticolourMophead · 04/12/2018 14:03

Graphista I agree with your post, and we can't know if he's a risk, he's not been around children....

Does anyone know if a petition has been started yet? I'd be happy to sign.

0ccamsRazor · 04/12/2018 14:05

I am with you LuvSmallDogs

Nah, no way. Sadists like this should be in for life, with the caveat that if at any time they can’t take it anymore, they can get themselves Dignitased after some psychological tests.

With regards to the parole board suddenly finding him fit for society, it sounds to me that they need to free up prison space

MulticolourMophead · 04/12/2018 14:06

Oh, and should this person get released and reoffend, can the parole board be charge with negligence. They wouldn't be able to deny that there were concerns over their decision before release.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 14:06

exactly, what he did was not purely anger or frustration.

i'd go as far as to say it was carefully planned.

that kind of person will never get better imo.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 14:08

but aliens do you seriously believe someone who has done that can be rehabilitated to the point that it Is certain they're not a danger to society?

I really couldn’t say. I have no experience of working in this area.

I just came on to argue against the usual claptrap people post on these threads about the death penalty.

LegoAdventCalendar · 04/12/2018 14:08

How can you have a network of supportive friends in the community when you have been in prison for 45 years?

This.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 14:10

fair enough you don't like the death penalty, that's fine because we don't have it. we wont likely ever have it again, either.

Can you not appreciate why people think someone like this would be better of dead, though?

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 04/12/2018 14:13

Yes exactly re: the ‘network of supportive friends’ - wonder how they’re friends, do they have a common interest...

anothermothersusername · 04/12/2018 14:15

I have always dead against the death penalty but if this means that brutal and sadistic child murderers such as this devil end up on our streets then bring it back as far as I’m concerned! This animal could end up living near families with young children and they will be oblivious. It’s so fucking wrong!!!

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 14:16

exactly, even if these supportive friends do indeed exist, what kind of a person would be supportive towards a man like that? nobody who could be a positive influence on him surely?

if he was my family member I would have nothing more to do with him, anyone with a heart would surely feel the same?

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/12/2018 14:17

So if you murder someone who has loved ones who will stand up and say how much they are missed you should have a longer sentence than if you murder a hermit with no friends or family?

The relatives comments aren't taken into account during the sentencing process.

It is, rather, a way of helping the bereaved come to terms with their dreadfulness, by giving them a voice, and acknowledging their pain. Prior to this process, families of murder victims were pretty much ignored by the court and shunted off out of the way - no recognition given to their pain at all.

This process lets them be heard, and they can feel that they have done what they can to show their love for their lost one/s. `it greatly helps with the grief process, as I understand it, even though they are told that it will not influence sentencing.

People who are bereaved are often avoided by friends who don't know how to talk to them. How much more must this be so when a family member has been murdered? And yet speaking about the dead keeps them in memory, keeps them real, and helps us to come to terms with the pain of bereavement. It may also help to open the doors so that others feel they can talk to the family about them.

anothermothersusername · 04/12/2018 14:18

And yes I do think he’s ending up back on the streets to free up jail space Angry . If things are so bad that child murderers are being let back onto the street then why not stop jailing people for much lesser crimes.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 14:18

flamingo

It’s not that I “don’t like the death penalty”. I don’t agree the practice of it is compatible with a civilised society.

And I have no idea whether this person would be better off dead. How can anyone possibly know that?

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 14:21

So another, you’re not against the death penalty then.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 04/12/2018 14:21

From the parole board
The psychologist identified a number of factors which make it less likely that Mr McGreavy will reoffend in future

Less likely? Oh well of course if it’s less likely, obviously he should be released. FFS Hmm

BoreOfWhabylon · 04/12/2018 14:23

I don't think he should ever be released.

I also note that the photograph of him is captioned as having been taken while he was out on DAY RELEASE in 2006!

Marcipex · 04/12/2018 14:25

My guess is that the supportive friends are the Church.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/12/2018 14:25

The other problem I have with the death penalty is that someone has to carry it out.

This is my own objection to the death penalty. I couldn't kill someone in cold blood myself, so I don't feel that I have the right to ask someone else to do it on my behalf.

The "Myths about the death penalty" link doesn't fit here as the US has a different system.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 14:27

It’s not that I “don’t like the death penalty”. I don’t agree the practice of it is compatible with a civilised society

I don't think killing children is compatible with a civilised society, but if you say you "know why you did it" that's ok then is it?

how can anyone possibly know that a child murderer would be better off dead? well considering what he's done he's clearly a danger to society and I would much rather him dead than another innocent child, wouldn't you?

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ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 14:30

Anyway when he's released (and it will be WHEN unless the Parole Board are forced to rethink as the Home Secretary apparently can't do anything about it) he will surely have to be watched constantly by the local police under his licence?

In which case what is the point of releasing him? Or will be unhindered on carrying about his business?

I imagine they'll take his word for it that he won't break the terms of his licence just like they seem to have taken his word for it that he has learned how to cope with 'stress' by not using prolonged violence and mutilation to murder small children Hmm?

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MoltenLasagne · 04/12/2018 14:30

And I have no idea whether this person would be better off dead. How can anyone possibly know that?

I can say that society would be better off if he was dead. It's easy - would it better if he'd never been born? Most certainly, yes. So clearly it would be better if he was also dead. Whether that then leads to the death penalty is another conversation but if he somehow died peacefully in his sleep before release I doubt anyone would shed tears except of relief.

anothermothersusername · 04/12/2018 14:33

FamilyofAliens a dog that bites a child will very often get put to sleep. A man who murders three babies and impales each of them gets released. How can that be right? If it’s a case of lack of jail space leading to lenient sentences then yes I have changed my mind about the death penalty.

anothermothersusername · 04/12/2018 14:35

He eliminated those three innocent babies. He’s proven himself to be a dangerous and unpredictable animal. He should not be walking our streets hidden with a protected identity. If he were to move next door to me and my young family would I have a right to know who I he is and what he is capable of? Would anyone tell me?