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To think he should NEVER be released - HORRIFIC STORY WARNING ***warning reiterated by MNHQ - disturbing content***

496 replies

ShockedandOutraged · 04/12/2018 09:44

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6457161/Hes-bad-Ian-Brady.html#article-6457161

After committing a crime like this, it can never be guaranteed that this man is not a risk to society. What parameters do the Parole Board use to determine this? He has not been around to lose his temper/in a position to kill children while inside.

The reports details a network of 'friends' that this fiend has as support when he's out. Who on earth could be friends with something like this?

How can he even want to be released? If he had any remorse he'd have killed himself before now.

The poor parents of these children. Is there anyway they can fight against this?

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DishingOutDone · 04/12/2018 13:22

He didn't just kill them though did he; its what he did after that too.

Some debts to society can never be repaid; what he did was an affront to humanity. Of course people's sentences should be reviewed, no one is suggesting he just be left to rot. His human rights are being respected, but he surrendered the right to freedom on that day, for the rest of his natural life.

RoboticMary · 04/12/2018 13:29

I never mentioned the parole board Confused I don’t know how a PP has inferred that from my post. I was referring to people who may feel his release is justified. I don’t, and he has no human rights whatever as far as I’m concerned. He murdered three innocent children. He’s done. I don’t care whether he’s rehabilitated or not. It’s immaterial to me. He stays in prison where he belongs.

BlooperReel · 04/12/2018 13:32

If this cretin felt remorse he wouldn't even try to be released, he would accept that a life locked up is the most he deserves. Those babies suffered appallingly, their family have suffered for 45 years'. Some crimes cannot be absolved, ever.

How can they know, after 45 years locked in a mens prison, he is no risk to children?

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 04/12/2018 13:34

Must admit I am generally of a “parole boards generally take loads into account” type of person but did utter “wtf” when I read that news this morning. Amazed he hasn’t got a whole life tariff.

I would hope over 45 years he has had a lot of mental health input and is no longer considered a danger. I can believe he murdered three children and then mutilated their bodies due to “stress”. There has to have been more to it than that.

Am surprised that he will be released though.

He will remain on licence forever though. The biggest cost will be protecting him from vigilantes after release. It would be cheaper to keep him in prison.

RoboticMary · 04/12/2018 13:35

They don’t know. I don’t think they should be making educated guesses, either. So they should leave him where he is. Then they can be sure.

Ironfloor269 · 04/12/2018 13:36

I'm all for capital punishment for criminals like this. Saves the state valuable resources which can be used on criminals who actually stand a chance of being rehabilitated.

LuvSmallDogs · 04/12/2018 13:38

Nah, no way. Sadists like this should be in for life, with the caveat that if at any time they can’t take it anymore, they can get themselves Dignitased after some psychological tests.

longwayoff · 04/12/2018 13:38

I'm not reading what he did, I cant face it, poor parents. No, he should never be freed. Some things are simply unforgivable and cannot be atoned for, no matter what.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 13:39

Whether a criminal can be rehabilitated isn’t dependent on the seriousness of the crime though. Some petty criminals spend their lives in and out of prison.

Thurmanmurman · 04/12/2018 13:42

I don’t care if he is sorry, or ‘rehabilitated’, he should still die in prison as punishment for his crimes.

Oliversmumsarmy · 04/12/2018 13:43

Years ago I knew of a family who had a child killed by someone who was given life.

They never let the person out despite many parole hearings and they died in prison.
I and I think those that knew the family had an idea that one of the reasons they kept the person in prison was because if they had been released they wouldn’t have lasted 2 minutes so they kept them in prison for their own safety.

I just wonder if the parole board had thought about how long before someone decides to stick his body on some spike railings or do they think people forgive and forget so easily.

FamilyOfAliens · 04/12/2018 13:43

He’s not going to though, is he,thurman?

No matter what anyone on here says.

flamingofridays · 04/12/2018 13:44

but aliens do you seriously believe someone who has done that can be rehabilitated to the point that it Is certain they're not a danger to society?

petty criminals might be in an out of prison - but the difference is they're not killing kids,

a parole board might think ah yes this petty thief has been rehabilitated, they let him out and he starts nicking again. Ok so its bad, people will be affected, its not a victimless crime BUT its not as bad as someone who has previously killed children killing more children.

this risk is so much greater with "rehabilitating" someone like this

people nick because they're skint, they're addicts, they're bored kids.

why do people kill children?

GreenDinosaur · 04/12/2018 13:47

45 years is effectively 15 years for each child murdered. Sorry but that's a pathetic sentence and should be at least doubled.
Where is the logic behind concurrent sentencing?
Basically, if you've committed one crime, you might as well commit a load more because it makes no difference? Confused

The80sweregreat · 04/12/2018 13:48

It is sickening - heard something on the news about it but not the details of what he did. lock him up forever, life should mean life.

Oliversmumsarmy · 04/12/2018 13:51

I am for the American system where you get a set number of years per each crime.

Eg Murder 1 child= 60 years
Murder 3 = 180 years

Maybe in another 135 years he can be released but not until he has paid for all his crimes

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/12/2018 13:54

We know what he was convicted of. I really don't give a fuck if he turned into Mother Teresa after that, anyone capable of doing that to 3 children including a 9 month old should never ever be allowed back out into society. Ever.

Have to agree with this. He is twisted and vile, and I don't believe that degree of pathology will ever change.

In practical terms, it will cost a bloody fortune giving him a new identity and supplying him with a home and benefits in the outside world (and I bet HE won't have to struggle with universal credit!), plus support teams to help him cope etc - no. Use that money wisely. Spend it keeping him behind bars for the rest of his foul, useless life.

Graphista · 04/12/2018 13:55

"There is a general misunderstanding of life sentences. "

It's not the public 'misunderstanding' it's successive govts since the death penalty was abolished 'redefining' it. When the abolition of the death penalty was under discussion pro death penalty MPs and by default voters were told, virtually promised that capital offenders would be imprisoned for all their lives.

Many people feel betrayed in this aspect, and frankly it's a major factor that motivates people to want death sentences back!

"but claw surely cases like this suggest we need some kind of reform of the legal system?" Absolutely agree

"there's no room for them anymore and they would rather believe a man who has been imprisoned for that long must be rehabilitated - to make room for the man that killed a child only 2 weeks ago." If non violent offenders weren't in prison there'd be room for both bastards!

"What is the point of having a judiciary/legal system at all if we are then to trial by tabloid press?" Because no system is perfect and the press though biased in many ways does serve a purpose in exposing the faults in societies systems. Good journalists will always do that.

"He was discharged after starting a fire" interesting - there's believed to be a link between arson and rape/paedophilia.

Not much easy access to alcohol in prison either.

"It’s very easy to be kind and charitable when it’s other people who have to take the risks to facilitate it." Too bloody true!

"ah yes, we are the savages, not the nice man who violently killed three children." Indeed! Give me strength! Only one savage here. Not us.

"its not comparable to him being in the real world." Exactly

It's not just that he doesn't deserve release he is STILL a risk to children and I question the intellect of anyone who cannot see that.

LonelyandTiredandLow · 04/12/2018 13:57

If we are trying to be emotionless over it, even the paltry sentence for the man who killed his ex (the midwife) the other day was 17 yrs for one life. They should have at least 17 x 3 for three lives. Also I'm sure the man's emotional state before killing his ex WAS taken into account (we have diminished responsibility). The victim's emotional state cannnot be.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 04/12/2018 13:57

Echoing what other PPs have stated - after the near miss of John Worboys being released into society/to abuse women again I don’t place much trust in parole boards anymore.

John Worboys: Parole Board 'miscalculated danger posed by rapist'

Basically he told lies about the time period and his ‘reason’ for assaulting women ( Hmm ) to psychologists which the parole board naively at best took at face value.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 04/12/2018 14:00

If non violent offenders weren't in prison there'd be room for both bastards!

THIS ^

Some "crimes" eg not having a tv license, shouldn't even carry a prison sentence.

Baking101 · 04/12/2018 14:00

He's got no reason to stay out of prison either. He'll never work, he will get restless and will commit more crimes. Hopefully no murders but it's likely he will. Should leave him locked up until he dies, he has no use in society.

Rattinghat · 04/12/2018 14:01

How can you have a network of supportive friends in the community when you have been in prison for 45 years?

Orangecake123 · 04/12/2018 14:01

I wonder if those on the parole board, would let this man say a friendly hello and interact with their children now that he's reformed.

Iloveautumnleaves · 04/12/2018 14:02

Don’t you trust the parole board to have all the relevant information to make this decision?

Funnily enough, no. Incompetent bunch of idiots shouldn’t be allowed to choose their own cereal.

This animal should never be released, unfortunately someone will have to crowd fund and provide evidence to get that changed, like the VICTIMS of Warboys had to. It’s an utter disgrace.