To wish the extra funding for grammar schools was £500 million rather than £50 million.

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www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/government-gives-16-grammar-schools-in-england-a-share-of-£50m-funding-pot-to-expand/ar-BBQqmk6

Instead of just 16 grammar schools sharing the pot of £50 million . It should be the full 164 of grammar schools hence the £500 million requirement.

Grammar schools as the flagships of the state education sector should have all the resources they require . In order to ensure a world class education is available to those that can make use of one.

I am not stupid and realise to make statements like this on here puts me on par with Nigel Farage or Katie Hopkins in the hearts and minds of the cohort which inhabits this parish !
However, I have a belief that if you have limited resources available you should make sure what you have got does not get wasted; i.e. put it in to areas such as selective education.

After all there are only about 220 good secondary schools in England with 164 of them being grammar schools. The other 56 being de facto grammar schools despite posing as comprehensives. This proves you cant be successful if you are all things to all people !

Are these true comprehensive schools ..
www.ladbible.com/news/uk-government-releases-latest-list-of-englands-worst-schools-20180126

Oh there must be about three that are located in grammar school areas .. Must not forget they can't be comprehensives

They really are taking the proverbial by including the Royal Grammar High Wycombe and Simon Langton Boys Canterbury in the list !

Are you a teacher?

"Whether I have an factual evidence to back up my statements well … lies dammed lies and statistics."

You mean your points are supposition? We knew that.

The budget reductions have been met mainly with losing LSAs, less subject taught at A level and GCSE, larger class sizes, fewer trips, increased use of NQTs and unqualified teachers.

The facts are more believable than your rants.

"Oh there must be about three that are located in grammar school areas .. Must not forget they can't be comprehensives"

No one said that, straw man fail.

If I had been less provocative by stating there are about 500 good secondary schools of which about 220 are academically successful schools ; nobody would have disagreed . The point of the disagreement is because I used academic achievement as the benchmark . The top 220 schools as such achieve at around 78% on the old 5 A*-C scale ratings .

letstalk
You are using a linkfrom the LadBible as real news ???????
Oh my goodness

and Simon Langton always gets a mention because of its famous alumnus, Milo Rightwingnut

At least 78% being the benchmark to gain access to the top 220 , before anyone else comments questionable aims !

"At least 78% being the benchmark to gain access to the top 220"

But this isn't the way schools are judged, you have made your own arbitrary way of judging and decided that this is good based on your own unqualified opinions.

Regardless of the potential for a site called Lads Bible to produce fake news reports .They have only published government DATA .

Which conveys Colyton Grammar from (possibly the best state school in England to one of the worst) . This suggests Ofsted rating systems might be at bit flawed. If a child is predicted 9, 9s but comes out with only 7, 9s it is not a failure Ofsted !

It is however a fail if a school only gets 25% of children to level 5 standard regardless of starting position.

It is however a fail if a school only gets 25% of children to level 5 standard regardless of starting position.
utter bollocks
If the school is full of kids who were all predicted to get 3's and 4's
getting ANY child to get 5's is a success

Colyton has the pick of the brightest kids across a huge swathe of the south west
if it does not get the best results out of them
either the 11+ is a crap test
or the school is not letting them meet their potential

its very simple statistics

Actually, I'm done with you, so I'm going to wipe the floor with you.

The justification for grammar schools in based on falsified data by Cyril Burt (even going so far as to falsify supporting data later found by his "assistants" that didn't exist).

The facts show that students in grammar schools do no better than they do in good schools and 76% of secondaries are good or outstanding.

www.suttontrust.com/newsarchive/grammar-schools-are-no-better-for-bright-pupils-say-researchers/

Grammar schools also take disproportionately large amounts of wealthy children, even when they make up a small amount of the area demographic, and a significantly less than average amount of PP, EAL and SEN children. The main success of grammar schools is down to this privilege.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43542565

Grammar schools are not good for social mobility leads back to the fact that many parents buy in tuition ( hence the pribilege) to game the system, 70% of tutored kids get in, only 17% of non tutored don't. Just about managing families are also under represented, whilst children from the top earning are far more likely to get in

Basically everything you use to justify your reasoning for grammar schools is hogswash.

If all towns were going to have a grammar school and the test couldn't be prepared for, then yes, great idea.
I think 50 million will be wasted on mc kids whose parents can afford tutoring.
Unfortunately, grammar schools today don't promote social mobility, they just service the rich.
It's disgusting giving so much when so many secondaries are failing and turning to academies.

You also want the 167,000 children, who are mainly already priviliged to benefit from a spending increase of about £3000 per head ( rounded up), when they are far more likely to be successful anyway.

And you base your justification on this on a premise that has been disproved for reasons that have been disproved.

What do we want?

Evidence based policy

When do we want it?

After peer review.

I learnt very early on when writing academic essays to always go with the opinions of the lecturers ! This being to suggest you have no chance of expressing an opinion if it goes against the prevailing wind.

Talkinpeace. You're theory is the equivalent of putting a 20 handicap golfer against a scratch one and proclaiming the 20 handicap golfer the better player ! That's ok for a social game.

Romany roots. You have over the years have referred on a regular basis about the the dire state of education available to children in West lancs. You have also stated that if grammar school provision was available to children in West Lancs you would be a proponent for children to be given a place at grammar school. Therefore you should welcome any opportunity to advance the case for children from poorer backgrounds attending such schools. The Altrincham Grammar Boys schools money is dependant on them tripling their FSM % rate to 7% and admitting 20 boys each year who receive PP .

Finally you should read the full post I suggested an extra 5 billion pounds a year into the education system as a whole.

I also suggested putting 5 billion a year in to Welfare particularly in supporting disabled people better.

The 7% target set by Altrincham Boys is about the same level of one of the 'Modern' schools (though nearly in the top 220) in Altrincham !

I learnt very early on when writing academic essays...

You write academic essays?

You're theory is the equivalent of putting a 20 handicap golfer against a scratch one and proclaiming the 20 handicap golfer the better player !
You are a muppet

Any way 50 million is a pathetic amount that would not buy one F35 jet capable of landing on the Queen Elizabeth carrier.

Yes in my previous life I have written academic essays . I was making a point that when I was at University, it was dammed difficult to go against the grain . Where I am on the academic spectrum is not relevant !

Put the funding where it’s neefed- the comprehensives. I believe in equality, a child’s education shouldn’t be based on whether a parent can afford it. I know teachers who teach at the grammar who says the majority of pupils have private tuition on top to get them through the system.

Social equality, social mobility and the possibility of real aspirations for all !

Really can't be bothered to read the thread. But no. No extra funding. No selective schools. Amazing comprehensive education for all.

I don’t get why people are so against grammar schools and whilst I don’t agree that 500 million should be given to them, the children need to educated somewhere, and if some lucky children are taught in grammar schools, then so be it. Many grammar schools are chronically underfunded as are other schools too, so I don’t get why people feel grammars shouldn’t get more funding but feel that comprehensives and other schools deserve to. After all, all state schools are struggling, and grammars aren’t the exception so they deserve extra funding as much as other schools do.

Behaviour of such that leads to expulsion has as much to do with parents, environment expectations as the special needs of the child.

Wow. You can't educate that level of ignorance.

The Altrincham Grammar Boys schools money is dependant on them tripling their FSM % rate to 7%

I don't know whether to laugh or cry that you think this is something, in some way noteworthy. There are schools with over 50% FSM, that don't consider themselves in any way the poorest in the area. You have such a narrow view of society.

letstalk you really need to change your user name to letstalkutternonsensetowindpeople up

Many grammar schools are chronically underfunded as are other schools too, so I don’t get why people feel grammars shouldn’t get more funding but feel that comprehensives and other schools deserve to.

I think this is a political move to distract Conservatives voters who are pissed off about Brexit. Taking money from schools then giving some of it back to grammars is very unfair. Children at grammars tend to have parents who will buy in extra help to ensure that their child remains strong in academics, extra curricular etc so can better absorb government cuts if that's what's needed to keep the country afloat. Extra money for the most advantaged kids widens the gap between schools and the details like a 7% target for FSM is ridiculous.
I realise that Grammar schools aren't the only way to ensure an advantage. Postcode and religion are also other ways that you can ensure that your kids get ahead.
What if the money was used to tackle the regional divide in educational standards?