To wish the extra funding for grammar schools was £500 million rather than £50 million.

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Instead of just 16 grammar schools sharing the pot of £50 million . It should be the full 164 of grammar schools hence the £500 million requirement.

Grammar schools as the flagships of the state education sector should have all the resources they require . In order to ensure a world class education is available to those that can make use of one.

I am not stupid and realise to make statements like this on here puts me on par with Nigel Farage or Katie Hopkins in the hearts and minds of the cohort which inhabits this parish !
However, I have a belief that if you have limited resources available you should make sure what you have got does not get wasted; i.e. put it in to areas such as selective education.

After all there are only about 220 good secondary schools in England with 164 of them being grammar schools. The other 56 being de facto grammar schools despite posing as comprehensives. This proves you cant be successful if you are all things to all people !

I'd like there to be special needs provision that is suitable for my son and many like him, rather than endless cuts and closures...but hey ho

Yes let's give £500 million to grammar schools which are already stuffed full of middle class children with parents who can afford the tutoring or private education to get them there and not worry about all the other children - they don't need a decent education after all! Grammar schools no longer serve the purpose they were meant for which was to improve social mobility.
I say this as someone who went to grammar school myself by the way.

I would like to see zero funding to grammar schools - like private schools they are socially divisive and the money should towards improving the resources to schools attended by most of our young people.

220 good schools? Really?

YABU

Grammar schools do not do anything beyond perpetuate advantages that the vast majority of grammar pupils already have.

They don’t need more money.

Do your research.

Where does the 220 number come from?

I think if there’s a spare £50 million going it should be split between all comprehensives. The grammar schools do not need it.

Yes, let’s give the money only to those schools that are already coasting along nicely with a generally middle class intake of bright kids.

Or, money could be spent on the comprehensive schools that are aiming to teach all pupils according to their needs, abilities and potential.

This thread won't end well 🤦

I would like the hydrotherapy pool at my brother’s SEN school to get fixed so he can have hydro again and for the school to be able to afford more TAs so each child can have more one on one time. But sure, let’s find grammar schools

Well. I have a feeling that the aim of this thread is not constructive discussion.

YABU
Funding should be based on need
Grammar schools reinforce inequality and division
They get no better results from bright pupils than comprehensive schools
at much greater administrative cost

If grammar schools were truly objective I would have some marginal sympathy for your argument. However, im in an area that has grammar schools and children are tutored for years to get in. Children who are very bright rarely get in unless they tutored. If you can afford that much tuition, pay for independent schooling and leave grammars for others. And as a parent of a child with SEN I could give you a thousand reasons why you are totally unreasonable.

Grammar schools receive less than other schools. They need more money.

I couldn't disagree more. Children at grammar schools area already lucky enough to be blessed with the ability to get there. They are also overwhelmingly middle class and tutored to get there. They have supportive parents which is the biggest factor in doing well. They shouldn't need massive resources to do well anyway.

On the other hand children with SEN have been given a poor hand in life already and need all the help they can get. I say that as a mother of v bright children, not SEN children, but I do work in a school and see the struggles the SEN children have there. It's awful watching children slip further behind for lack of support when the school just doesn't have the resources to give them the help they need.

The juries out on grammar schools, research suggests they're not a silver bullet for pupils that go there (UCL, this year) and other research actually suggests that they have a negative impact on other schools/pupils in a grammar school area. Beloved of (some) parents and (some) politicians however actual facts don't support their existence as beneficial.
In the beginning of grammar schools, they were probably impactful-my dad from a poor background attended having passed the 11plus. Concept of tutoring etc just didn't exist. Times have changed. Decent education for all is the ideal. There are no silver bullets sadly. So yes YABU.

Grammar schools receive less than other schools. They need more money.
Grammar schools exclude all of the expensive pupils (SEN, poor, FSM, in care, traveller)
They need less money.

I am always struck by the chorus of derision about grammar schools from the very people who benefitted from them.

Considering that only 4.8% of the population were educated by grammar schools and about 12% selectively if independent schools are included; it is quite telling on here that at least 50% of posters had the benefit of selective educations....

Grammar schools may well.be a Flag ships of State education however many of dont live anywhete near one there hasent been a Grammar school un my town for over 30 years , its a masivley unfair system

Okay, I'll bite,
Where do you get your figures about the 220 'good' secondary schools, OP? What do you mean by good?

Children at grammar schools do no better than those of the same ability in comprehensives, but a grammar system comes with the added bonus of reducing social mobility - i.e. grammars have a net negative effect on society. Get rid of them all, make all schools good, for everybody.

Money should go to all schools regardless of their structure/title. No child should miss out on the opportunity to succeed. Schools should just be schools, there should be no divide.

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I did not go to a grammar school
I did not choose the school I was sent to
I DID choose the school my kids went to
and they got an excellent education - better than my expensive one

I am very glad that we don't live in a grammar/secondary modern area and would not willingly move to one.

But yes on the ropic of sen schools maybe the funding would be better spent on them so myself and other parents dont have to fund raise for my sons sen school to.have a fully functioning multi sensory room.