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Original poster

to think that Labour's stance on moped ramming is stupid

718 replies

longfingernails · 28/11/2018 23:11

The Metropolitan Police have been knocking over moped muggers with their cars, and releasing the footage as a deterrent. It's a fantastic idea which has cut moped crime dramatically.

Predictably, the Shadow Home Secretary has said 'it shouldn't be legal for anyone'.

Why is Labour's instinct always to side with the scumbag criminals over the victims, the police and the decent people?

OP posts:

Miscible · 05/12/2018 14:10

Neither of the links says any more than incidents are being examined, which they should be and are self-referred anyway.

That's an extremely selective interpretation. What they say is that there have been at least two cases where serious injuries have been caused by the use of this tactic, contrary to claims on this thread that injuries have been essentially trivial; and one where, contrary to claims that it is only used by specialist trained drivers, it was used by a non-specialist.

KissingInTheRain · 05/12/2018 14:32

That is selective.

They say that the worst injured was hospitalised with head injuries (one report say “serious”), treated, released and subsequently convicted. The other was a broken leg.

And the non-specialist driver acted before the policy was in place.

Since it’s also clear that moped riders have been injured while being chased, but not because they were struck by police cars, do you want the police to abandon all pursuits?

Miscible · 05/12/2018 16:31

No, I want the police to carry out pursuits lawfully. Serious head injuries are serious on any interpretation. It's irrelevant that the non-specialist driver acted before the policy was in place, the point is that in announcing the statistics on this tactic the police indicated that it was only used by specialist drivers.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 05/12/2018 16:39

To be blunt, I don't care if some little shit who has stolen a moped, committed a crime and failed to stop for the police is hurt when the police apprehend him/her. Maybe this tactic will make them think twice before doing it. Then again that's probably too much to expect as it would invoke them having some level of intelligence.

KissingInTheRain · 05/12/2018 17:27

It's irrelevant that the non-specialist driver acted before the policy was in place, the point is that in announcing the statistics on this tactic the police indicated that it was only used by specialist drivers.

That’s sophistry. The policy is in place.

I did say more than once that if the police abuse this policy they should suffer the consequences. Nothing you or anyone else has said suggests it is being abused. You object to it altogether.

As to lawfulness, it is lawful.

Gaspodethetalkingdog · 05/12/2018 17:35

Snowflake alert - why are so many people anti the police?

These nasty little shits are causing massive hurt, problems for law abiding people and you complain they are being hurt.

No sympathy With the criminals, they chose to do the crime so suffer the consequences - perhaps the parents should keep them under control.

LovesLaboursLost · 05/12/2018 18:19

I’m not anti the police. They should be supported to do their job fully and humanely. Being encouraged to drive a car at another human being is not good for police officers.

Miscible · 05/12/2018 23:54

I always think the Cleese quote is very apposite in relation to anyone resorting to the very tired "snowflake" insult:

"Yes I've heard this word. I think sociopaths use it in an attempt to discredit the notion of empathy"

Oakenbeach · 06/12/2018 00:00

I’m not anti the police. They should be supported to do their job fully and humanely. Being encouraged to drive a car at another human being is not good for police officers.

It’s very good for the police (and the public) if it means one fewer person (who otherwise wouldn’t have been caught) committing dozens of robberies and attacks every week!

FoxInABox · 06/12/2018 00:04

Where I live there is a huge problem with scrambler bikes being driven illegally & stupidly dangerously on the roads. They are a law unto themselves- they drive through red lights, cross the lane in front of you dangerously, kick your car, drive across pavements, drive the wrong way down the road etc etc. They are aggressive to anyone who dares to even beep at them. Innocent people have ended up with life threatening injuries, and innocent people have died in my city because of these idiots. I wholly back the police action- it’s been a long time coming, and is desperately needed. These idiots shouldn’t be above the law, with no fear of being caught, making peoples lives a misery and ruining people’s lives too.

Singletomingle · 06/12/2018 00:08

Seems a majority of people disagree with this so does anyone have an alternative? The mopeds are usually stolen often with violence so no chance of tracking down the perpetrators. They arent going to stop when asked or when they do its only to smash a police car with a bat or slash an officer. So what is the alternative to current policy?

doubleshotespresso · 06/12/2018 00:11

Adequate police numbers and competence would be a fab start

KissingInTheRain · 06/12/2018 09:36

More police wouldn’t help with this scourge. It would be a good thing for lots of other reasons, but not this one.

To stop scooter crime you’d need so many police that they’d be everywhere. And then people would complain about living in a police state, reasonably enough.

ScruffbagsRUs · 06/12/2018 10:36

To stop scooter crime you’d need so many police that they’d be everywhere. And then people would complain about living in a police state, reasonably enough.

Sorry, but I'd rather live in a police state where I'm protected and these dickheads are deterred from doing this shit (and prosecuted if they do), than live in a police state where these fuckwits are left to commit more of these crimes and cops are too busy policing FB/Twitter for mean posts.

Buster72 · 06/12/2018 10:53

Even if we doubled the number of police I fail to see how you could apprehend a scooter going 30 miles per hour plus mounting pavements and disappearing down alleyways

Do you have a practical usable tactic? If so give Cressida a call.

Police have a legal right to use reasonable force to prevent crime.

Oakenbeach · 06/12/2018 13:12

Even if we doubled the number of police I fail to see how you could apprehend a scooter going 30 miles per hour plus mounting pavements and disappearing down alleyways

Even if you increased 100-fold with Police permanently on every corner I’m not sure how it would stop it if those Police couldn’t properly engage the criminal. Telling to stop in stern tones won’t work! The naivity of some on here is astonishing.

GySgtHartman · 06/12/2018 17:18

Telling to stop in stern tones won’t work! The naivity of some on here is astonishing.

There's the problem. People seem to think that suspects that have just committed a violent crime will simply stop when politely asked. The concept that it takes an act of force to apprehend these people seems a difficult one to swallow. The reality is that it's a necessity.

Davros · 07/12/2018 09:52

We don't need tons more Police on this, they've already reduced this crime by 80% and climbing. The scumbags will move on to something else soon, especially in the pissing rain when fewer people are around

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