to think that Labour's stance on moped ramming is stupid

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The Metropolitan Police have been knocking over moped muggers with their cars, and releasing the footage as a deterrent. It's a fantastic idea which has cut moped crime dramatically.

Predictably, the Shadow Home Secretary has said 'it shouldn't be legal for anyone'.

Why is Labour's instinct always to side with the scumbag criminals over the victims, the police and the decent people?

I think it's too dangerous and don't agree with it.

Why? Surely you're not concerned with human rights of the criminals?

These so-called human rights should be summarily ignored; they become irrelevant the second the scumbags decided to commit a violent crime.

I disagree with this strongly.

I ive in an area where this problem has existed and in recent months seriously escalated, but the idea that the Met Police (who let's face it are not famed for their accuracy or regard for young people) can adopt this policy is sickening.

How can it possibly be right that those paid to uphold the law can thwart it at human cost? Given that most offenders of these crimes are under 18, this sits terribly badly with me. On this rare occasion I whole-heartedly agree with Diane Abbott

I think it's dangerous, to the public

I totally agree with the Police action. The moped muggers don't care who gets hurt when they attack people. I don't give a damn if any of the muggers get hurt or killed.

The police should exercise judgement to minimise the risk to the public, and be held responsible for doing so. They should only ram the mopeds when there are no other people or vehicles close by.

But they should have full immunity against any injury to criminals.

I think it's great. One of the fastest growing types of crime and a way to tackle it. Don't want to get rammed off your moped? Don't be a little bastard robbing people using one!

Labour is mostly full of twats anyway compounded by this ridiculous woman and her stupid views. They're right to do it. London is turning feral and it needs seriously tough action to sort it out. These "kids" need to learn they can't just go out doing whatever they like mugging, robbing, stabbing, killing INNOCENT people. Everyone saying they don't agree would soon change their tune if it happened to them or their family/friends. It's got to stop,either Labour disagrees and comes up with millions needed to bring back many many many officers back onto our streets. Or they shut up if they've got no other solution -which they don't because they're crap. Repeat infinite.

The legal punishment for stealing/mugging isn't physical injury so tbh I've no idea how this policy was adopted in the first place. I was shocked when I viewed the footage.I completely disagree with it.
As a PP said, the police's record on stopping young people is fraught with institutional bias. Those attitudes won't change when it comes to seeing 'potential' criminals on mopeds.
imo it will also encourage vigilantes to ram people with cars since it promotes a lawlessness on the streets that is counter-productive.

Wtf is happening to this country?! It’s sickening that a police force is allowed to do that.

You forfeit your right to safety the second you endanger others with your actions.

Anyone who doesn't instantly surrender the second the cops show up deserves everything they get. 'Police' in general as a concept only works if the general public understands that fucking with the people in uniform results in hard and fast consequences. I'm okay with that.

I'd rather the Tories hadn't been cutting Police Officer numbers for 10 straight years though. Maybe then we wouldn't be at crisis point in so many places when it comes to crime. Labour should really just keep hammering on the idiocy of austerity, not pick battles where a lot of the public will disagree with them. You might have hoped they had learned this by now.

ACAB

I live in London and was horrified to see the news of this on tv.

I am also strongly against the met being allowed to run people over with their cars I mean what even is that shit.

It's a massive no from me.

I think most of the public will agree with Labour on this because they realise the Tories have decimated the police and have led us to a place where ramming mopeds off the streets is viewed as a policy decision. It's a real admission that they've destroyed community and city policing when they let the force circumvent due process to ram vehicles off the road.

It’s excellent.
They’re not ‘just running people over’ are they though. They’re stabbing, mugging, seriously injuring people. Don’t like it? Don’t do it.

"Police' in general as a concept only works if the general public understands that fucking with the people in uniform results in hard and fast consequences."

It doesn't though.
It depends who the victim is, who the criminal is, where you live etc and so on

They are always running people over anyway by accident also accidentally killing black people in custody also well you know all the stuff with the bribes and the papers and oh yes the rapists victims being sent away and etc

Met are shit really I've never had much luck with them on the rare times have interacted.

The problem is the mopeds can get down paths, through bollards the cars can’t and they can obviously outrun police on foot.

How do they stop them?

But yes a few well off chaps get their phones nicked on a night out in Islington and yeeha lets run those fuckers down.

Nope nope nope and some more nope.

I have no sympathy for moped muggers

I think it’s a stupid policy because as soon as one of the moped riders is seriously injured or killed by the policy there will be enough of an outcry that the police officer involved will likely be hung out to dry.

Give the police enough resources that they don’t need to resort to that in the first place and everyone will get on better.

You think the moped muggers give a fuck if they ride on the pavement and kill your children????

The police deliberately knocking people off mopeds, risking killing them, is not part of a civilised legal justice system.

We have laws, courts, parliament. Not the Wild West and modern day lynchings.

You've just been mugged at knifepoint by someone on a scooter. They stole your money, keys and phone. The mugger is being chased by the police. The only way they can stop the mugger is by edging the scooter off the road into a traffic island. If they don't do this, the mugger will get away and not only fail to be stopped, but will suffer no consequences at all. They'll do it again tomorrow once they've sold your phone to pay for some booze and E.

The next person the mugger attacks is going to be your child. Or your parent.

You're seriously going to tell the police to let them go? Nope. Sideswipe the twat. Hospital and jail please, rather than them mugging and maybe knifing my family.

The police should exercise judgement to minimise the risk to the public, and be held responsible for doing so. They should only ram the mopeds when there are no other people or vehicles close by.

In the old days when they had sufficiently trained Class A police drivers, I may be more easily swayed, the fact is they don't.

In the 80's, the Police crashing into 'joy riders' caused accidents, injury and death to pedestrians and other road users.

When it was Motorbikes/mopeds, often it would be the passenger that was killed and they were, as said, usually under 16.

Theuve been given permission to run a rider off the bike, even if they aren't wearing a helmet.

I don't think robbery, deserves the death penalty.

I also wouldn't want to see, or my Grandchildren etc, someone sustaining serious injury or dying.

If a rider is injured, there's going to be less chance of proper sentencing. A compensation claim, which will cost the public purse a fortune and then disability benefits.

Why should it be limited to this sort of crime?

We can't afford our Justice system and I think this policy is the thin end of the wedge and its to make up for a lack of funding.