To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

Nobody, not even me, is denying that biology is real. Of course it is.
Where the problem lies though is people so set on biology, so rigid in their thinking, that they refuse to acknowledge that there could be anything else.
No such thing as thinking as a woman, feeling like a woman as well, it is a real thing for some, even if you can't see it.
If you don't say women are just defined by their biology, you're not answering right.
It's all there for those who want to see.

Truth is, people don't want me to say that for ME, there's something else too. As that'd mean acknowledging there could be something else too and we can't have that, can we, as it would validate transwomen.

Verbeena you are getting it!

No. Being a woman is not a feeling, or an emotion, or a way to dress or behave.

No such thing as thinking as a woman, feeling like a woman as well

But women don’t think and feel in ways different from men.

As I said, yes, you can only say women, you are your biology. I get what you're saying, but it's clear you on the other hand can't see or accept anything else apart from women, biology! Evident in your last sentence.
Which is why the threads go round and round.

That was one of the excuses given to deny women the vote.

Women and men dont think the same, cant think in the same way.

Its such regressive bs.

Verbeena - of course you think and feel like a woman, because you are a woman. But unless your thoughts and feelings are replicated in all women, it can't be a defining factor, can it?

But women don’t think and feel in ways different from men.

God, seriously, it's deja vu with these threads. I never said they DID - wade through the pages of crap roundabout fuckery in the other threads and there was an interesting discussion on sense of self AS WELL and nothing to do with feelz and fluffy kittens or whatever.

Because that is what woman means.

Words have meanings, its how we all communicate.

That was one of the excuses given to deny women the vote

So now anyone disagreeing with you probably thinks that wimmin shouldn't be having the vote either?
Oookayy

Because that is what woman means

Damn.
Womanned wrong again.
Soz.

But women don’t think and feel in ways different from men.

God, seriously, it's deja vu with these threads. I never said they DID

What? You said: No such thing as thinking as a woman, feeling like a woman as well, it is a real thing for some, even if you can't see it.

How can you ‘think’ or ‘feel’ like a woman if women think and feel the same as men?

Women and men dont think the same, cant think in the same way.Its such regressive bs

Did you read what I put?I'm not talking about thinking!! I didn't say that, I specifically said it wasn't about thinking or feelz.
It's a sense of self, that some obviously have, and some don't.

Verbeena, work on that reading comprehension.

Endlessly misunderstanding and misquoting what is said doesnt make you look right, it makes you look unintelligent.

What? You said: No such thing as thinking as a woman, feeling like a woman as well, it is a real thing for some, even if you can't see it

Sorry, will try to say it clearer -
there is no such thing as thinking or feeling like a woman.
It is a real thing as in a sense of self as well NOT about the feelz even if some can't see or accept that.

No. Fucking.Point. Is there?
YOU are the one going on about thinking like a woman, not me! Sense of self, not feelings.
FFS, google it if you don't think it can exist.

It is very nice that you have a sense of self.

However women are not people with a sense of self.

Women are adult females.

No one is denying anyone’s sense of self. But why would sense of self come before physical reality?

Women are adult females

No shit, Sherlock.
Just some women can think that there is something else too as they have a female sense of self (not feelings) and therefore accept transwomen too.

Try it on Twitter and come back and tell us how many death and rape threats you get

So because some extremists send out threats that means they're all like it?
I don't think so.

Ok Verbeena Im confused.

Sense of self is how one feels, its personality and emotion.

How are you confusing that with biological sex?

How are you confusing that with biological sex?

I'm not!
I've said biology is real too. I'm not conflating the two. I said they're both a thing.
Separately. Not together.

Ok, so a woman is an adult human female. Thats the definition of the word.
We agree on that.

So then theres a sense of self. Some females and males have it, some females and males dont. You have it, I dont.

So why are you suggesting those whom have it, including males, are female?

Verbeena, asking these questions about definitions and meanings is not a point scoring exercise. It's not a game. It's not a bit of intellectual masturbation.

It has real life consequences. If your defining factor is a sense of self, that is something that no one can observe or verify. If you claim that transwomen have it, there must be some way of identifying it. Otherwise self ID is exactly what you are agreeing with.

How can women organise, or uphold their rights, if they are categorised by something entirely subjective and which doesn't hold up, in any material way?

Genuine transsexuals very rarely say they have a sense of self that means they are female. They will talk, at length, about how they reject their masculinity. About how presenting is female alleviates their symptoms.

Historically, they had to understand that they were indeed male, before any medical intervention was approved. Because otherwise it's just a delusion.

You saying that the defining factor in the concept of a woman is a sense of self, is directly undermining the reason why women have their own rights. The inherent power dynamic between men and women is dictated by biology and socialisation. Not a sense of self.