To be angry and feel the Scottish Gov’s Twitter header is an attack on women?

[Badmoonsarising]

i’d like them to clarify exactly what their definition of “transphobic” is because it seems to have become a slur these days often aimed at anyone but mostly women who are critical of or question in any way the recent upsurge of identity politics. I just feel they’re doing a knee jerk, ignorant, unnecessary huge fuck you to women.

This thread shows why they'll have chosen that poster out of all of them.
It's a big problem online and one Twitter has been tackling lately.

Assuming you can see outside of your mantra that is.

I don't have a problem with transwomen in the same way that I don't have a problem with males in general.

I'm not sexually attracted to males and I would object to males being present in the communal women's changing room at my local gym. There are no cubicles and women usually queue for the shower in their towels, then get dried & changed by their lockers.

Does this make me androphobic?

The series doesn't mean anything, does it?
They have no interest in tackling homophobia, its just virtue signalling.

Like those Reading protesters going on about fighting homophobia, when what they're actually doing is attacking lesbians.

empress in the same way that I don't have a problem with males in general
That's actually a pretty impressive attempt at skirting and diving the talk guidelines to say what you really think.

And some Pride marchers objecting to lesbian posters saying lesbians are female homosexuals.

At Pride! When it's a protected characteristic by law.

The mindfuck of demanding the T is aligned with the LGB when it directly contradicts it, is breathtaking.

At Pride! When it's a protected characteristic by law.

Haven't caught up on the thread, but before I do...

You do know what "protected characteristic" means in law, don't you?

The "protected characteristics" are things on the basis of which one cannot be discriminated against. So I can't not hire someone because they're gay. I can't not let them in my shop because they're black. I can't sack them when they get pregnant. I can't provide free drinks for women but not men.

It doesn't mean people at the same Pride march as lesbians have to be totes okay with whatever they want to write on their banner.

HTH.

That's actually a pretty impressive attempt at skirting and diving the talk guidelines to say what you really think.

Verbeena, I'm just being honest. If I wanted to skirt and dive the talk guidelines I could be a lot more impenetrable and confusing.

I'm not Layla Moran. I can't see into people's souls. In a space where I'm semi-naked I only want to be in the company of people who share my biology.

Report if you want.

The "protected characteristics" are things on the basis of which one cannot be discriminated against.

Which need to be defined. And they are. Same-sex attraction.

And people at pride not being 'totes okay' with a lesbian being a female homosexual, are homophobic.

And people at pride not being 'totes okay' with a lesbian being a female homosexual, are homophobic.

Exactly.

Which need to be defined. And they are. Same-sex attraction.

Hahahaha, NO!

That is NOT the definition.

THESE are the protected characteristics:

The following characteristics are protected characteristics—
age;
disability;
gender reassignment;
marriage and civil partnership;
pregnancy and maternity;
race;
religion or belief;
sex;
sexual orientation.

NOT "same sex" attraction. SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Quite literally, which way you go when you get down to all things sexual. You cannot discriminate against someone because of the people they fancy.

But you definitely can say, "I think your banner is a bit of a shitty thing to do at Pride" regardless of who they fancy. And that is exactly what a lot of lesbians said.

I've seen you so often clutch your pearls because "protected characteristic" and you don't even know what the bloody words mean!

Priceless.

NOT "same sex" attraction. SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Quite literally, which way you go when you get down to all things sexual. You cannot discriminate against someone because of the people they fancy.

Do you think the EA protected characteristic of "race" was primarily intended to protect the rights of white people? On what basis do you think most of the discrimination claims are made under that protected characteristic? Do you think there is likely to be "positive action" for white people?

It's the same with sexual orientation. You can't refuse to give me a job because I'm straight, no. But most of the discrimination and harassment is going to be around HOMOsexuality.

Half an hour offline and Verbeena and Rat are now all about the definitions

What have you lot done to them??

But yes, being pedantic it is sexual orientation, homosexuality is a sexual orientation therefore is a protected charicteristic.

Erm. yeah. If you say so hypolyta

Get back what you give out is how it goes so if you're going to come out with stuff like that don't act all surprised if it all starts sliding again.

Were all about the definitions in the first place.
Ooh, is it cos you only see defining if it is YOUR type of defining?
Knew it.

Stuff like what?

That same sex attraction is a protected charicteristic?

Well, it is.

If one was abused for being muslim that would be a hate crime as Religion is a protected charicteristic.

On the same lines, anyway abusing lesbians for not including males and/or transwomen is commiting a hate crime as sexual orientation is a protected charicteristic.

I personally dont define anything, the dictionary and occasionaly law do that.

Intresting, legally in England, sex is defined by chromosomes (April Ashley case)

Stuff like what?

Oh FFS

Novotes, helloo!

You're saying you want them to narrow the definition of hate so that you can continue to say what you're saying.

Exactly, what the heck is all that about? Honestly - just..... wow.

Don't do a swear though, skirt the guidelines, skirt the guidelines to slide under radar and get away with it like they do lol

You're saying you want them to narrow the definition of hate so that you can continue to say what you're saying.

No, I don't want the concept of "hate" to be straight out of the Ministry of Truth in 1984. I don't want people persecuted by the police and courts and public money wasted on vexatious claims (like that of Giuliana Kendal who lost a case recently) for trying to protect women's rights. Sorry, yes, I do want freedom of speech to be allowed. I want women to be able to name male abusers as male.

You need to look in the mirror, love. You're not the goodies here.

How surprising that you cosy up to a poster calling women here cunts, Verbeena. Such a laugh!

Sorry, yes, I do want freedom of speech to be allowed. I want women to be able to name male abusers as male

Oh, cos all transwomen whatever they do, however much they transition, are always men?
Yeah, you've said that before.

The poster made an extremely valid point and I specifically said the swear was not cool.
The rest of the the quote apart from the swear was perfectly reasonable. Think you knows that really.