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To shout FFS it’s bolognese!!!

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Booksandwine80 · 27/11/2018 10:25

There seems to be a trend for people calling spaghetti bolognese “spag bowl”......gives me the rage Angry

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OlennasWimple · 27/11/2018 12:23

I saw a price tag for "coughlins" - took me a while to work out that they meant "cuff links" (non-English speaking shop manager trying to guess the spelling of a word that they have only ever heard)

SilentIsla · 27/11/2018 12:25

What's the origin of the phrase 'A norange'?

In 1914 the Danish grammarian Otto Jespersen coined the term 'metanalysis'. That's rather a dry start to a piece on what is a lively and intriguing facet of the English language. To find out what prompted Jespersen to believe that we needed a new word, let's bring in a stage prop - the humble orange.

A norange:
Many sources will tell you that oranges were originally called 'noranges' and that 'a norange' migrated to being called 'an orange'. Well, like so much folk etymology, that's not true, but there is a germ of truth in it - there never has been a word 'norange' in English, but there very nearly was.

The climate in England doesn't qualify it as an orange-growing area and the fruit were first imported there in the 14th century. Oranges originated in South-east Asia and when they arrived in Persia and Spain they were given the names 'narang' and 'naranja' respectively. As they got nearer to England, and hence nearer to requiring a name in English, they lost the 'n'. This happened on their journey through France, where they were known as 'pomme d'orenge'.

In English, the indefinite article may be 'a' or 'an', depending on whether it is followed by a word which starts with a consonant or a vowel. When the consonant is an 'n', we may run into the 'a norange'/'an orange' confusion.

It was this displacement of a letter from one word to another that Jespersen took an interest in and named 'metanalysis'. Medieval words like 'a napperon', 'a nuncle' and 'a nadder' could easily be confused in everyday speech with 'an apron', 'an uncle' and 'an adder' - and they were. The earlier forms aren't now used.

The misaligning of word boundaries can go the other way too, with the 'n' being added rather than lost. The best known examples of that are 'nickname' and 'newt', which were originally 'an eke-name' and 'an

It's easy for us to see these examples now as errors, but bear in mind that the changing of words based on confusion about where words start and end took place before dictionaries or even printing and reading were commonplace.

When we come across new words now it is just as likely that we see them in print as to hear them spoken. If we had to rely on speech alone we might now be coining mutations like 'an erd' or 'a Niphone'.

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insancerre · 27/11/2018 12:25

Wednesday
Half past week
Spag Bol for tea

SilentIsla · 27/11/2018 12:26

For me, it’s simply about the indefinite article.

shrugs

Candlemist · 27/11/2018 12:31

I have heard Spag bol ... since the 1970s

Likewise. In the 70s it was common fare of lots of students (when they could afford it). Everyone I knew called it spag bol. It's not a new trend.

Onatreebyariver · 27/11/2018 12:33

We say spag bog.... which is a bastardisation of spag bol

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/11/2018 12:35

My friend insists on calling it spaghetti boloG-nese, so a hard G. That drives utterly barmy.

Holidayshopping · 27/11/2018 12:38

Op, do you mean people are saying Spag Bol but their accent means the Bol sounds like bowl?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/11/2018 12:40

"When ds2 was little he misread pork loin as pork lion, so loin will forever be lion for us."

I love it, @mostdays!

@Booksandwine80 - if people are writing Spag Bowl, it seems pretty clear that they have misheard the shortening Spag Bol - which is, as this thread shows, a pretty widely used shorthand for Spaghetti Bolognese, so I don't blame you for being irritated by that.

halfwitpicker · 27/11/2018 12:40

Sketty bollocks Grin

BobbinThreadbare123 · 27/11/2018 12:41

Sketti bolognese. Except we have tagliatelle or fusilli with it because actual spaghetti sn't as fun.

It's macaroni cheese. There's no N or 'and'!

Barbeito · 27/11/2018 12:42

It’s spag bog in our house; never heard of spag bol

applesauce1 · 27/11/2018 12:42

We'd annoy you. My husband and I now call lasagne "lasaga" because of this well known image.

To shout FFS it’s bolognese!!!
Umbongointhejungle · 27/11/2018 12:44

@applesauce1
I would still eat that!

BrokenWing · 27/11/2018 12:44

"spag bol" isnt a trend, its been that since at least the 1980s for us

never heard of "spag bowl", I would think someone has just spelt that wrong..

Abeautifulpeagreenboat · 27/11/2018 12:46

On a pasta theme mac & cheese seems to have become a thing. It's always been macaroni cheese to me, but suddenly macaroni becomes mac and then a random 'and' or 'n' or '&' has been added.

AdaColeman · 27/11/2018 12:46

Mac 'n' cheese is wrong too!

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/11/2018 12:48

"When ds2 was little he misread pork loin as pork lion, so loin will forever be lion for us."

When DS was about 7 he turned to me with a shocked face as we looked at Xmas cakes and said "Mummy, that cake is stolen, its really naughty to steal cake!" So as a result we have Stolen every Xmas :o

MissDollyMix · 27/11/2018 12:49

Spag bol = acceptable
Spag Bowl = wtf?!
Mac 'n' cheese = wrong, so very wrong

LadyinLavende · 27/11/2018 12:51

@Nottobesoldseparately
I think you'll find you serve ragù with linguine rather than lingiuni

Sorry, but we're a bunch of sticklers in our house: my kids used to ask for a raw spaghetto to crunch on when I was cooking spaghetti.

So it follows that what annoys me is people who have a panini for their lunch. That'll be a panino or two panini.

BrightYellowDaffodil · 27/11/2018 12:51

Is this thread reminding anyone else of The Thick Of It? “Dont say ‘Shad Cab’, it’s like saying ‘spag bol’ - it’s fuck annoy.”

No, just me?

(I think the thing about using tagliatelle rather than spaghetti for bolognese sauce is that different sauces suit different pastas better, due to the type of sauce )

Woooman · 27/11/2018 12:51

I'm with you, OP. My dh and I always refer to a woman we met on holiday as 'Spag Bol' (said in a Liverpudlian accent) because she ate it every night for the fortnight that she was in...Rhodes. She didn't like the food so she choose her favourite "English" dish on the menu. My dh is Italian so she insulted him twice...once by saying Spag Bol and then again by claiming it was an English dish 😂

BeTheHokeyMan · 27/11/2018 12:55

We call it sketty bollock naked in this house Blush

MontanaSkies · 27/11/2018 12:55

For those who prefer tagliatelle with ragù, may I suggest "tag rag"?

MrsStrowman · 27/11/2018 13:04

DH raised a quizzical eyebrow the guest time he was at my parents' house, DB came in and asked me what was for dinner, I said dad's cooking BuhSketti and he just said ok, have I got time for a quick shower before dinner? We always call it BuhSketti at DPs because DB did when he was little.