To stop sending my child to nursery cause they allow him outside

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here me out, I hope I'm not being PFB but I am so fed up with my child's nursery. Time and time again I've said he is not to be outside, but nobody listens! Each day he comes home caked in mud, all up his back, caked on his shoes, not wearing any gloves or a hat, some times not even wearing his wellies just his indoor shoes! Its Baltic. On Friday I went to collect him and they said he was outside making hot chocolate... with the mud he was rolling around like a pig in shit but he was covered from head to toe, in his hair, his ears, his back from when another kid through a mudball at him I don't know whether I'm overreacting though? Aibu!!

There's no ofsted as we are in Scotland - care inspectorate.

The mud wouldn't bother me, being outside unsupervised in unsuitable clothing really would.

I'm going to pm you op.

YABVVVU to be more concerned about the mud than the fact that your 2 year old is being left outside unsupervised without adequate clothing. This is continuing to happen despite repeated requests from you. You must make a formal complaint to the nursery manager and consider reporting to the equivalent of ofsted if they don't take your complaint seriously.

I have two boys in daycare
Everything constantly gets lost, I just re buy gloves hats and scarves. I buy everything matching for them and end up with it lost and Or a coat has gotten ripped etc so their clothes never stay matching for very long

Yabu children need to be allowed outdoors to play and get fresh air and build up their immune system.

I am overly cautious about not letting them put anything in their mouths but otherwise getting dirty is just what children do and you will be making him feel like an outcast by being inside while the other kids go play

Sounds like a brilliant nursery and he is having a fantastic time.

Willow there is no report.
I don't have an email address for the manager, I only have a number for the nursery but I will get a meeting together for next week.
Well they need to get his jacket for him and get it on, doesn't seem like he has a choice really but I think my judgement is just clouded by it all

Sounds like a brilliant nursery and he is having a fantastic time.

Mayra, please read the thread. It sounds like an awful environment with lazy staff and a serious safeguarding problem.

You can phone the care inspectorate. They are lovely and will speak to you about any concerns anonymously if that's what you want.

Sounds like a brilliant nursery and he is having a fantastic time
Really? You don't think actually supervising the children might be necessary to be adequate?

It's OK though, if this 2 year old chokes on a stone, or gets something caught round his neck or eats some berries he'll bring himself back inside to tell an adult

YABU

You need to send him in appropriate clothes: thermal base layers, a wool jumper then an all in one padded suit to keep him dry and warm. Or padded ski dungarees with a warm coat. Remind them to put his gloves, hat and wellies on.

Outdoor play is important, it's really mean to ask them to keep your child in because you don't like him getting messy!

In Scandinavia they play outside even in below-zero temperatures, deep snow and rain. If they're dressed properly they don't get cold or wet.

This is what I get

From what I can see it's all YABU's.

I don't think you're being unreasonable. You are by not wanting him outside at all but I can see why you'd want that given the state they let him get in. DD's nursery was the same. I didn't have money to be constantly washing t shirts and trousers and replacing shoes etc. The last thing I wanted to do after a stressful day at work was have to hose down DD and strip her and get her clothes in the wash.

It gets much better when they start school.

Write them a letter and deliver/post it ASAP. Don't wait until you can get a meeting, you need to raise your concerns in writing ahead of the meeting.

Op there should be.
Go to c.i website.
'Find a service' (in a blue box)
Type in nursery name and search.
They will come up.
There will be options to subscribe to the service view details or view report.

You then download thier latest report or any from the past.

I really wish people would at least read the OPs posts on a thread, she sends him with appropriate clothing, and wouldn't mind him being outside if they actually used his coat, waterproofs, hat gloves scarf.

The reason he's getting so messy is because he's a 2 year old being left unsupervised for hours at a time.

Outdoor play with friends is great, getting muddy is fine if they are cleaned afterwards, but this is not what's happening.

YABU to be concerned about him getting muddy.

YWNBU to be very concerned about the lack of supervision and the fact that the manager appears to be absent much of the time.

The lack of supervision is a safeguarding issue, and I would expect the absence of a manager or deputy is something the inspecting authority would have issues with.

Oh my god people read the thread !,!! Seriously!

Op I think it’s negligence, there should be a member of staff out there with him and he should have appropriate clothing on. It’s not acceptable and I would be kicking off

Sorry willow yes I've just done that last report was 2015? If I'm looking at the right thing

It's actually an ofsted requirement that kids get at least 30 mins outdoors a day. I would just make sure he has clothes you don't mind getting dirty of a waterproof outdoors suit.
I'm sort of hoping this post is a joke. This behaviour is a normal way of kids learning & having fun. If they can't do it at this age when can they.

Last report was a few years ago, he wasn't there then

By the sounds of it you are providing suitable clothes (rain suit and wellies£ and the staff should make sure DS has them on before he gets going in the mud. If the mud was caked on to those two
Items only then I think that’s reasonable. Having him come home like Pig Pen from Charlie Brown despite him having the right clothes isn’t fair I don’t think.

I think your problems is the messiness, when it should be the lack of supervision. If you frame it that way you will get nowhere.

I am genuinely confused about what they send him outside wearing... you said ‘No he is always wearing a coat, although like I said some times it's a hoody. There was only a few times he was out with no jacket’. You also mention the issue is scarf, hat and gloves.

Nevertheless, if you aren’t sending him with appropriate clothing, then you should. If they aren’t putting it on him, complain. The gloves, hat and scarf are hard to police as a lot of kids just take them off, but the coat is an absolute must.

The lack of supervision is inexcusable. Write a formal complaint, but be clear as to why you issues actually are. If no satisfactory response is received, change nursery. This doesn’t sound like an appropriate level of care.

Yes he needs to be playing and rolling in mud. All kids do. Thats how they get an immune system - playing and getting dirty. Yabu. And precious. And daft.

You are still focussing on the wrong thing. Mud is fine. Dirt is fine. Cold weather is fine. In New England they are allowed outside up to -10 for 40 mins. My 2 year old is fine. He’s in a long sleeved vest, long sleeved top, sweater, down jacket, gloves (waterproof), hat and warm snow boots.

So the issues you need to raise are:

• That he is unsupervised
• That they are not putting adequate clothing on him. He won’t is not an excuse.

You are really focusing on the wrong thing. And why do you ‘have to’ send him in a hoodie sometimes?!