To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

[LaBelleSauvage]

Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

Innocentconglomeration your DC not being able to be vaccinated is exactly why those who don't but can are wrong/ selfish. That is what the OP says.

That is not what the op has said. She didn't, in her OP, iterate any exemptions.

Wonderful policy here, if you don’t vaccinate you can’t send your child to school during outbreaks, if you inconvenience the parents enough some will think twice www.fatherly.com/love-money/relationships/parenting-strategies-advice/anti-vaccine-parents-flu-season/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fbowned&utm_content=fatherly

It is what is meant, children being harmed by the actions of parents. It is why not having your DC vaccinated cannot be morally defended. You are reading it in the wrong way, if your child can't be vaccinated they can't be vaccinated and that's it.

Well, if that's what the OP meant, she should have said that. Not made a blanket stupid inflammatory statement.

I'd have thought you'd be more angry about people choosing not have healthy children vaccinated and endangering your DC than a clumsily worded op.

I am sorry that I am not sufficiently angry about what I'm supposed to be angry about and that nosy fucking knobs wanting to know into the arsehole of my DC medical conditions offends me.

Let it go, Innocent. We all know what the OP meant. We all agree the wording was clumsy. Yes, you're right. You've won. cheers. Now can we get back to the point?

Where I live in the US the vaccination certificates or exemptions are dealt with by school nurses, they are treated confidentially like any other medical record. There is nothing to get offended about.

Nobody is being nosey about your DC medical history.
If vaccination is avoided because of loony conspiracy theory science-blind arrogance, it's a Bad Thing.
If vaccination is avoided because medical reasons mean the risks outweigh the benefits then it is not a Bad Thing.
Nobody is policing you. We all just hope the number of knobheads doing a Bad Thing is minimised. Only you know whether you're one of them.

I am sorry that I am not sufficiently angry about what I'm supposed to be angry about and that nosy fucking knobs wanting to know into the arsehole of my DC medical conditions offends me

I don’t have the slightest interest in your kids medical conditions, what I’m interested in is those of us who CAN getting vaccines so kids like yours, and my dear friends are safer.

She finds it useful to say “we can’t get DS immunised”. It’s not invasive, she’s not been questioned but it makes it very clear she’s not a “my sister-in-law says nurses call the MMR the “death jab” between themselves” (yup, that’s an actual quote).

I could get DD vaccinated though. It just isn't advised. So I would say she isn't vaccinated.

It's hard enough. There is no need to make it any harder and make a child the subject of more tattle than they need to be, in my opinion.

I disagree. I don't think there is any benefit to the demonising of children who aren't vaccinated, that is demonising them for a choice they didn't make. And, again, the op didn't spell out exceptions in her first post and I find that offensive.

Yeah, we know. Offensive. We get it. Acknowledged. Move on.
Nobody is demonising any children.
Some people are saying some parents are dickheads. The reason they are saying that is because some parents are dickheads.
The fact that we can't always know which ones they are doesn't make it any less true.

No one is demonising DC, some countries believe that parental choices around vaccinations impact other people's DC sufficiently that protective steps need to be taken.
It is a parents choice to vaccinate but in some countries it is a choice with consequences due to the level of damage this choice can inflict on other DC.

Polidori
It's odd that for most of the thread almost every poster has managed a discussion clearly talking about anti vaxxers and how that's different to people who can't for medical reasons and then there's the odd couple who decide everyone must hate them and their children.

As another poster said, some people are anti vaxxers, others genuinely can't vaccinate for medical reasons. Only the individuals concerned will know which side they fall on.
I'll still hold my view that people who hold anti vaccination views are probably only willing to hold their stance because they know that herd immunity will keep their DC reasonably protected as some bugs are very rare now (due to vaccinations) I highly doubt they'd be quite so willing to put their child into a situation where they'd be directly exposed to pollio without a vaccination. It's easy to be smug when other people are giving you a safety net.

MaisyPops - I don't assume that people hate me or my dd (I know you didn't give any names so may not be aimed in my direction) but I do react to these threads no matter how much I try to avoid doing so.

My rational head says that anyone sensible will have a medical exemption caveat, the part of me that has faced derision, condemnation and an all-out fight to do what's right for me and my dd isn't always that rational when I see yet another blanket statement. I suppose it comes down to what a person means and what they actually type, being 2 different things.

@Mumminmum Oh and the picture of the iron lungs isn't staged. It just shows the iron lungs in store after one of the epidemics. Which anyone could have guessed, but when you have decided that people who are pro-vaccinations are all manipulative liars, then of course you'll make up lies about the truths that they tell you.

Seriously? In storage, with people inside of them? 😂

Andro
If there is a medical reason as to why your daughter can't be vaccinated then that's that. Take no notice of what anyone else says. If it ever comes up you say that you were told by drs that she couldn't have them.

It's the parents who proclaim loudly that ideologically they are against vaccines, they are a conspiracy by big pharma companies, they damage thousands of hidden children, that their child is protected by eating organic carrots or whatever they say - they are selfish and despicable because they are exercising their right to choose by risking the lives of people who have no choice.

Anyone wobbling about whether to vaccinate or not should ask themselves these questions...

Q1 How many people do I know (not a friend of a friends cousin’s daughter) who has had a negative and medically proven reaction to a vaccine?

Q2 How many people do I know (not a friend of a friends cousin’s daughter) who has had a medical complication or died from catching a disease you can vaccinate against?
So for me:
Q1) 0

Q2) stepmother deaf from measles
Grandfather one lung and 2 ribs removed from TB. Friend at schools sister who was deaf and had learning difficulties because her mum caught Rubella when she was pregnant. Friends daughter hospitalised with complications from chickenpox. Myself having bad shingles in my 20s. Daughters classmate hospitalised from mumps. Friends daughter hospitalised with pneumonia and 3 years of constant infections because she didn’t get immunity when she had her pneumonia jab as a baby. So that makes 7...

Weetabixandshreddies - I completely get what you're saying, I was just trying to explain why some of us react more than we should. The whole topic becomes a sore point (and one day I will learn to avoid these threads...somehow).

Oh yes and the lady in the village who couldn’t walk probably because she had polio as a child.

Properly not probably

Gosh, my poor mother in law lost a 2- year old sister to measles which destroyed her mother, then her older sister contracted polio which sort of did her mother in for once and for all.

I'm always gobsmacked at the chutzpa of the anti-vaxxers, I'm generally terrifically fearful of an all-powerful state but in this case I feel positively fascist.

captainproton

Q1 - Me (anaphylaxis), DD (adopted) (anaphylaxis leading to cardiac arrest) 4 first cousins (2 x anaphylaxis, 2 x convulsions - 1 with permanent brain damage as a consequence) - 6
(DS, also adopted, had a significant, but not dangerous reaction)

Q2 - 0

Andro you have spectacularly bad luck, because a quick google search turned up this in a peer reviewed study:

We identified 33 confirmed vaccine-triggered anaphylaxis cases that occurred after 25,173,965 vaccine doses. The rate of anaphylaxis was 1.31 (95% CI, 0.90-1.84) per million vaccine doses.

The probability of this happening to both you and your adopted daughter are astronomically low, like one in a trillion.