To think that parents who don't vaccinate their children are despicable

[LaBelleSauvage]

Just that. And I think they ought to be sanctioned in some way similar to in Australia. Children shouldn't suffer because of parents' stupidity

I've attended 3 universities and worked at 2...I've never seen anyone trotting around finding ways to scrape for vodka

Then I'm sure you're well versed on student life. Being skint and excessive drinking.

Should DD face all the penalties gleefully listed in this thread?

No.

But I haven’t seen anyone “gleeful”. Bizarre choice of word.

Then I'm sure you're well versed on student life. Being skint and excessive drinking

And this has precisely what to do with vaccines? Notwithstanding the fact it’s a strange generalisation.

BishopBrennansArse

Everyone has said that herd immunity is there to protect people exactly like your daughter - those who can't be vaccinated.

Are you not angry at people who choose to put your daughter at risk?

Those who decide to not vaccinate are certainly putting their child at risk and the wider population. Now we are seeing older diseases which were once eradicated, making a comeback: measles, mumps, scarlet fever, TB.

Below is an interesting piece written by a nurse.

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12155410&fbclid=IwAR3rDhzduq3wb4VHgdK1B8-iccFvySzVh_VcAJG33U62NImriZ1_kNc40K4

If you read the full threadbishop nobody is suggesting you sacrifice your daughter. However, it's even more important for people like your DD that people who can be vaccinated are. Your daughter is relying on herd immunity. Examples like this are why so many of us are pro-vaccination and can't comprehend the views of anti-vaxxers.

How about it becomes mandatory to vaccinate children who want to attend public schools/nurseries. That way no one is forced to do anything! Medical exemption being a valid reason not to vaccinate.
I've vaccinated my children. My second cousin became deaf after getting rubella because his mother thought MMR vaccines would give him autism. Stupidity at its finest.

pinkyyy seems your narrow view of the world extends into higher education too.

Tbh this is something I strongly agree with we've managed to eradicate certain illnesses for a certain reason that reason being they've killed children by not vaccinating were leaving opportunity for those illnesses to creep back up from parts of the world where vaccines aren't available.

I think parents should have the right to decide.
but should have a chance to get properly informed by a hcp.

in germany the law changed recently that before you enrol a child in childcare or school (school is mandatory) the child needs to be vaccinated or the parent needs to show that they have had a consultation with a hcp about childhood vaccines.

How about it becomes mandatory to vaccinate children who want to attend public schools/nurseries.

I think this is the law in California.

BlaaBlaaBlaa I have absolutely no wish to further converse with you. I was taught if I have nothing nice to say then I'd better say nothing.

It is different if your child is allergic to the standard vaccine, then the NHS have a duty of care to offer an alternative.

pinkyyy so it's okay for you to throw around stereotypes?? Didn't you get offended earlier when you thought people were using stereotypes to make judgements? ( Even though they weren't)

@BlaaBlaaBlaa not talking about this particular thread but this subject crops up quite regularly here and I HAVE been told DD should die to make everyone safe.

Herd immunity is all very well but what about things that aren't communicable like tetanus? Terrifies me. Yet the nhs won't allow alternative vaccination schedules. Makes me furious as I was able to do this with the older two when they reacted to the pertussis vaccination and needed an acellular form.

Aeroflotgirl that is a different thing all together. I'm sure the OP is referring to the parents who simply.dont want to vaccinate for non medical reasons, for example parents have "done their research"

@Aeroflotgirl you would think so, wouldn't you? Particularly when you have it in writing from Ranbaxy not to use their product on her again. But they won't do it.

Yes totally Perfectly, the MMR and Autism link has been debunked, it is not true. DD 11 has ASD, and she had symptoms before the MMR vaccine. My son had scarlet fever last year, when I was growing up in the 1970s/80's it was one of those old eradicated diseases.

Yes you would Bishop, the NHS needs to provide an alternative.

I've posted this before,
I lost a newborn baby to hospital contracted hepatitis.
I would never put anyone in my shoes by not vaccinating.
It's a community responsibility.

I'm so sorry for your loss, habibihabibi. Awful.

habibihabibi I’m so sorry

I'm very sorry for your loss habibihabibi. I can't imagine.

We spaced out the vaccines and paid for single ones where we could, this was because before we had DS, my DH received regular vaccinations for his job. On one occasion he had received 3 vaccinations in one day, within 12 hours he became seriously ill, the older experienced doctor who came out in the middle of the night to the house said he believed it was the yellow fever vaccination and having received it with two other diseases it had overloaded his immune system. My husband was fit, healthy and strong and although he did recover we seriously had to consider how vaccinations loaded together would effect a immature baby's immune system.

habibihabibi so sorry for your loss x