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AIBU to completely cut my mother out of my life, even if she might die soon?

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 13:25

I apologise in advance that this is a LONG post... But I need to give you the full facts. Bear with me!

Bit of background first. I'm 41, live with my DP, no DC yet (hoping to adopt in next couple of years), we work FT and are really happy as a couple.

The major fly in the ointment is my mother (I can't bring myself to call her my 'D'M, for which the reason will become clear in this post). She's 62, lives alone in nice sheltered accommodation and she's been an alcoholic since 2003.

I have always had a strained relationship with her, she fell pregnant with my older DB out of wedlock, didn't have a home or a job and ended up having to give him up for adoption. I came along two years later, premature and very sick as a baby, I even had my last rites read to me by a priest as it was so touch and go. Then another two years later my younger DB arrived. Our parents split when I was about 4-5 y/o.

As long as I can remember, my mother has favoured my younger DB over me, I noticed it in part as a child. Like he would do something cheeky and mother would laugh and cuddle him, so I would invariably copy what he did and get a bollocking, I was expected to help round the house whereas he sat there like a little demi-god and didn't have to lift a finger as "he was a boy", Mother used to call him her little prince... that sort of thing. Family have since told me as an adult that they were always pulling her up on the favouritism, especially when we went to stay with our Nan in the holidays and she'd unpack our case to find DB's clothes were all brand new with tags, whereas mine where looking fit for a bin! She always denied it, but it was very obvious my family say.

This favouritism continued throughout childhood and into adulthood, my DB messed about at school, got in to trouble with the police, flitted about from one dead end job to another, got into fights, but could never do anything wrong in mother's eyes. Whereas, I worked hard at school, got decent grades, paid my own way as soon as I started working PT aged 15, bought my own house in my early 20s and paid for my wedding etc. Never asked her for anything, although acknowledgement of my achievements would have been nice.

After she'd split with our Dad, he wasn't about much in our life, he's a nice person, but selfish and feckless. Mother remarried when I was 6 and after a year or so, SD's temper started to show and he started getting violent. He and my mother would have almighty physical ding dongs where they both were violent to each other, then they started to take the violence out on me, with my SD 75% of the time and my mother the other 25% in hurting me.

I was punched, slapped, slammed into doors, thrown about from one end of the room into the opposite wall, thrown out into the garden the rain in my night dress and locked outside for answering back once. SD once grabbed me by the throat and threw me backwards off a breakfast bar stool in front of my friend for questioning him. My mum also regularly beat me with stiletto heels or a belt, my brother who was a little shit would only ever get a telling off.

Another time a local lad told my SD that I had thrown stones at him (I hadn't) and (as it turns out) SD was having an affair with the lad's mum, he came storming out of the house, screamed at me for my supposed violence to this lad and dragged me all the way back home by my hair as I was screaming in pain and humiliation.

The only time my mother would ever step in was when he was close to hospitalising me. She would say "Stop, we don't want the police or social services involved." So self-preservation, rather than preventing me further harm.

Anyway, fast forward, she left him when I was 16 because of the affair, but had a good few months of both of them refusing to leave the house and every night they were up screaming and fighting which each other. I was doing my GCSEs at the time and ended up having a nervous breakdown after finishing them and ended up on Prozac for a decade.

After I moved out in my teens, I had a ton of counselling, managed to kick the pills and reconcile my shitty childhood and useless parents. I still saw my mother, but on a fairly arm's-length basis. And I consider myself well-balanced, successful, popular and kind (and modest!!), but seriously I am proud that I have made myself a good life when it could have gone the other way so easily. My counsellour believed that my mother was actually very jealous of me.

Mother met a really nice man when I was 19 and living in London. and she and my DB moved in with him, I even moved back for a while until I met my now ex-DH.

Also, she'd been bleating on for years about how desperate she was to find her eldest long-lost DS. So I spent two years trying to find him and when I did, she made zero effort with him, effectively rejecting him all again. (He and I have a close relationship to this day).

In 2003, it all kicked off. Mother's DP decided he wanted to end their relationship, it had just run its course, no dramas, violence, or affairs, he had decided to wait until after my wedding to tell her, sadly it was the week we got back from honeymoon and WW3 kicked off. Cut a very long story short, she turned to drink, had to move in with me and my new DH, was getting drunk and abusive every night, threatening suicide and so began the years of misery where we are today.

She's even more vile a person when drunk and takes umbrage to me as I don't pander to her as much as others do and I tell her how it is. She's slowly over the years lost her friends, alienated all her family, lost her job, lost her house, lost her good looks and just become a bitter and more twisted version of herself. She was extremely lucky to get a flat in her sheltered accommodation considering her age.

Her behaviour was one of the factors contributing to my marriage breakdown and my DP after that absolutely hated her as she was so incredibly vile towards him and me.

It all came to a head about 8 years ago when younger DB met a decent woman and they decided to get married. DB decided he wanted to invite mother's second husband. Bear in mind I'd had 10 years on anti-depressants and years of counselling to get over the violence I endured as a child, my DB conveniently doesn't recall any of this, ex-SD was only ever lovely to my DB.

Anyway, his DW to be knew about the history and asked DB to put me first and uninvite the ex-SD, which DB did. My mother then calls me up screaming at me (bear in mind it's been me wiping her arse since losing her job and home and helping her out with food and money etc.) calling me every name under the sun for "making DB uninvite his DD", erm our feckless dad was coming to the wedding, ex-SD isn't his DD.

I then pointed out that I never interfered, my SIL to be had been sensitive enough to recognise he shouldn't be there. I lost my shit with her and asked how she can justify how much I was beaten as a child, she replied "All parents hit their kids." I pointed out that this wasn't true and smacking and beating were two different things, especially as I was almost hospitalised regularly. I asked her what she would do if she now saw a 16st 6ft man beating a whip thin 7 year old, she said she would step in. I said you didn't when it was me and she's replied "You were a bitch, you deserved it." I was gobsmacked and replied heartbroken, "No I wasn't, I was a child." and hung up.

Since then, both DBs have moved away and washed their hands off of her as she's getting worse and more vile with every month that passes, none of her siblings speak to her and she probably only had three friends left.

As I am her only family local for 100 miles, I was put down as Next of Kin despite keeping her very much at arm's length and this is where the phone calls started, the warden at the home calling me as mother has been unpleasant to other residents, she even pinned a dear old lady up against the wall and threatened to smash her face in for daring to knock at mother's door while she was trying to have a lie in!

I was getting calls from her all the time, self-pitying, crying, moaning abut nonsensical things, blaming everyone else for er problems and just constant "woe is me" behaviour.

Three years ago she was told she has first stages of cirrhosis, but refuses to quit drinking. She's been in hospital more times than I can count and usually discharges herself as "she's bored", "hates the staff" or simply as she can't drink in hospital.

But what has been the final nail in the coffin is this year, she's started taking to calling for an ambulance about every two weeks, for really minor things, swollen legs for example. Her legs are swollen as her liver is failing and her abdomen and legs are retaining fluid. She lives a £5 taxi from hospital but calls 999 herself or pulls the read cord in her flat and they call one and then call me every time.

When the paramedics arrive, she then refuses to go to hospital, they then spend an hour trying to persuade her, all the time they could be attending people in more need. Half the time when she does go with them, she kicks off in hospital because of the waiting and usually discharges herself, before calling the ambulance again the following week for the same thing. It's never ending and exhausting for all involved.

I finally lost my shit in June thsi year, I was at a festival and got a call from the red cord call centre and the warden, she had asked for an ambulance for her swollen legs again and when it arrived, she asked them to change a light bulb and fix her land line phone!!!!!!

She refused to talk to me when I called from the festival, kept telling me to fuck off, so I told her fried to tall her to change her Next of Kin to some other mug and to stay out of my life. Then blocked her number and on Facebook etc.

I'm ashamed to say that my life has been much nicer and less stressful last 5 months since I told her to fuck off for good. Then last week, I find out she's in hospital again, but nobody can get anything for her as my little DB doesn't ever answer his phone and is now her Next of Kin. She kept trying to contact me too, I refused to speak to her. She's since discharged herself and the warden thinks mother will be dead in next 6 months. Which is hard to hear TBH.

Mother told warden and friend she's been drinking more heavily recently, which put her back in hospital last week "Because of her daughter not talking to her", she takes no responsibility for her actions.

I have a friend who is a strict Christian and she was making me feel like I was BU last week as I wouldn't visit her or take her calls and friend says I should understand my mother has an illness. But my well-meaning friend hasn't had to endure what I have.

I said that I was living this illness with her was making me ill too, I had another mini breakdown through the stress of it all a few years back, but counselling when I was young meant I was better equipped to deal with it.

When she's in my life, she makes me miserable, it affects my work, my relationship and causes me worry. My friend said I should make amends before she dies, but it's not as easy as that.

She's a stranger to me now, I look at her photos and feel nothing for her, she's chipped away at any feelings of love I ever had slowly since I was born, which have been exasperated since she became an alcoholic. Plus she's been given six months to live countless times and keeps on dodging death somehow.

Sorry this post is an essay, truly am. But WWYD?

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:25

@DonkeyHotei oh love you. Thank you.

Please don't ever feel guilty for having a wonderful and loving mum. I don't resent my friends that have great parents, I do envy them, but I never resent them.

I've been pretty much independent since I was 14/15. I used to stay behind at after school classes to avoid my SD who worked shifts, plus I loved school and learning anyway.

So often I would get home and dinner had already happened, plus I went vegetarian against my mum's ranting and disagreeing at 14, so I started cooking my own food instead as she said it was a fad. (I stayed vegetarian until this year when I went vegan, that's a bloody long fad!), I got part time work as soon as I was able to at 15 in Woolworths and paid for my own magazines, sweets and records. So learned just to get on with it and never looked back.

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:35

@TheABC

Great point well made. I'm so lucky to surround myself with loving and kind people. My friends are my family.

Lucky for me that I'm popular and make friends everywhere I go. Each year, as my birthday's in the summer I arrange birthday drinks, as it's a great excuse to see many of my wonderful mates that I wish I could see more often. Anyway, every year, different circles of friends converge (school, college, ex workmates, friends from holidays and Facebook etc.) and by the end of the night many are swapping numbers and Facebook details with each other. They just all seem to click with each other.

I don't hang about with narcissistic, selfish, ugly natured people as friends. I'm good at spotting people like that as you can imagine! Hence they always seem to hit it off and get on.

I had my 40th party last year. I organised it myself as I wanted a music festival for the day. I had 200 people turn up and I asked them to bring themselves along and a foodbank donation if possible. My amazing friends filled a trolley of food donations at my party. The food bank were overjoyed.

I'm very lucky. If I didn't have my wonderful kind DP and friends I don't think I would be as well-adjusted as I am! Grin

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:37

My DP not long got in from work, I told how wonderful you all are.

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fireplacetiles · 21/11/2018 15:38

Imagine this is someone you know telling you this story, take a step back, what would you tell them?? I think you would say that it is time for them to think about themselves for once, to leave this vile woman to consider how she let her child be treated and to go NC. She doesn't deserve your love or support but you deserve some happy life and memories. Any chance you could move away? A fresh start away from this shower of shits, do NOT feel bad about going NC at all, sending you hugs xxx

AttilaTheMeerkat · 21/11/2018 15:40

"I have a friend who is a strict Christian and she was making me feel like I was BU last week as I wouldn't visit her or take her calls and friend says I should understand my mother has an illness. But my well-meaning friend hasn't had to endure what I have".

Your friend here is being anything but a friend; she is a flying monkey who has no interest at all in hearing your side of things and is acting purely too in her own self interest. Such opinions therefore should be roundly ignored by you.

Its not your fault your mother is the ways she is and you did not make her that way. If you want real life outside support I would also look for it from Al-anon who are very helpful to those affected by another person's drinking.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:41

@fireplacetiles yes I hear you 100%! You're right.

I love the city I live in. It's full of opportunities, open spaces and countryside us my wonderful friends. So I wouldn't want to move really. Once my mum passed away I don't have any family locally, but it feels like that already IYSWIM? x

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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:42

@AttilaTheMeerkat myself and little DB did try Al-Anon actually, ironically the Bible and God references put us off!

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StoatofDisarray · 21/11/2018 15:47

You poor thing. You're not being unreasonable.

I went NC with my mother in my mid-40s after a very violent and abusive childhood. I can't predict how you will react - none of us can - when you get that phone call, but if it helps, going NC changed my life for the better. I'm 51 now BTW. When I first started seeing my psychiatrist (a couple of years before the NC decision), she talked a lot about reconciliation, but she told me a year or so ago that she could see how I had blossomed since cutting her out of my life completely.

Whatever you decide to do, well done for getting through such a shitty start in life, and massive hugs to you.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:49

@StoatofDisarray So sorry you've suffered similarly. You sound very strong. Flowers

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StoatofDisarray · 21/11/2018 15:50

OMG, so do you! Flowers right back atcha!

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:51

Sorry all for not replying to everyone individually, but my heart goes out to those of you that have shared your own painful stories. Thank you.

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DistanceCall · 21/11/2018 15:51

The person you are describing is scum.

I don't care if she was mistreated or has a problem or whatever. Someone who says that a seven -year-old deserved to be beaten because she was a bitch is beneath contempt.

You owe her nothing, and you owe yourself to take care of yourself and be happy. You have nothing to blame yourself for. Cut her off.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/11/2018 15:52

I'm so lucky to surround myself with loving and kind people

Perhaps - but don't forget to give yourself some much-deserved credit too. If you were less wise and well balanced you'd probably never have attracted these lovely people and the fact you have is largely down to your own judgement and personality

It's great to hear you have a supportive manager, and on a practical note I very much agree with the PP who mentioned finally drawing a line under this when it comes to the funeral. When my hideous "D"F went I was keen on a direct cremation so I wouldn't even have to go, until a very wise friend said "you need to see those curtains close"

She was right - and believe me the relief was indescribable

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 15:56

@DistanceCall that was the comment from her that cut me the deepest. I just wanted her to acknowledge and apologise for the aabuse, but instead she tried to justify it and told my wider family I was exaggerating / delusional / lying. Nobody believed her though.

I tried a tell myself that it was the booze talking and she was in a spiteful mood over my DBs wedding, but it still hurt like a knife to the heart.

Yes I cos be difficult as a child, bed wetting until I started secondary school (which I was punished for!) and back chat when I tried to stick up for myself. Even when I would have a big screaming match with parents, I still didn't DESERVE that treatment.

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Annasgirl · 21/11/2018 15:58

Dear OP

Your post made me cry. You really are amazing. Please for your own sake keep NC with your mother - you need to focus on you, your DP and hopefully your wonderful new family.

You are wonderful to want to adopt an older child and give them the love they deserve, this will take a lot of work so make sure you get additional training and support from SS.

Until then, take care of yourself, remember how far you have come and cherish the good friends in your life.

Many 🤗

Lizzie48 · 21/11/2018 16:00

@GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery

I do want to wish you well when you do apply to adopt. My DH and I did that and we now have 2 DDs, aged 9 and 6, who are birth siblings. It's been tough going and our DD1 has a lot of adoption related issues, which has been tough to deal with, but I've found that my own past helps me to empathise with how she feels.

I do feel that I should give you a 'heads up' here. SS will want to know whether you're in touch with your mother, and will want to be reassured that you won't allow her to have contact with your DC. (I know you won't, but a lot of people are unable to keep away from abusive parents, so obviously they will have to ask.) That's another good reason to remove yourself from being her next of kin (you should do that regardless of whether you adopt, I think).

Lizzie48 · 21/11/2018 16:03

I've just seen your update. No wonder you were bed wetting, considering what you were going through! As for the other stuff, my DD1 can get very angry, lashes out, throws things, but I know it isn't her fault!! Your mother was the adult, not you, you were a child needing her to look after you.
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GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 16:04

@Puzzledandpissedoff I do begrudgingly give myself recognition for being part of the reason that I have amazing friends! Grin

But I do just naturally gravitate towards similar people. I like my friends to be kind, compassionate and drama free, that's it!

My DP was overwhelmed when we started to get serious, as he could believe the number of people I called "close friends", I literally have ten best mates! Then a wider circle of people that I could call upon when the chips are down. Then anptjer lovely circle of people I've known years, but don't see very often, but when we do it's just like yesterday. Smile

Also I've friends aged from early 20s up to late 60s, so my birthday drinks each year are always interesting and fun.

I try not to talk to my friends too much about the current situation these days, as they all know it in detail and it's not fair to bore them with the ongoing saga, but I know they'll be there when I get the dreaded call.

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TammySwansonTwo · 21/11/2018 16:08

I’ve been NC with my sexually abusive father for 20 odd years. If I ever get the call that he’s died (if anyone cares and can find me), I’ll tell them good riddance. It’s hard to get to this point but necessary IMO.

GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery · 21/11/2018 16:11

@Annasgirl thank you, lovely.

@Lizzie48 thanks for that insight. The adoption agency did say if I didn't have a relationship or a strained relationship with her that I'd need to detail it to them and for the support network that they ask you to build for adoption process, it will need to be my closest friends.

And yes, the bed wetting and my outbursts were a reaction to my home life. I got asked to see the school nurse once as the teacher noted I was going to the toilet a lot in classes. I think teachers thought I had urinary issues. She asked why I kept using the toilet and I recall replying in a really blasé way that I went to the toilet so often to have a little cry. (Which breaks my adult heart to type that out) It just felt completely normal to me at the time.

There was I, outgoing, popular and smiling. Even at that age I'd learned to put on a front, immerse myself in school and my friends, both of which I loved and then I'd sneak off every hour or two for a little cry in the toilets.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/11/2018 16:12

@GetMeOffThisCycleOfMisery and people who you know will be there "when the chips are down" are the very best ... it's just too bad your "D"M couldn't have been one of them

It doesn't really matter though; she's the architect of her own misfortune and it's interesting that even your wider family disbelieved her minimising and denial

You've made it so far and I know you'll make it even further in the future - and by god you'll deserve it Flowers

Dotty1970 · 21/11/2018 16:13

I'm so sorry you've been through so much, my childhood was similar and I have no regrets cutting them people out.
Cut her out, she doesn't deserve your time and it is well overdue whatever her health.

Lizzie48 · 21/11/2018 16:13

@TammySwansonTwo

My abusive F (he sexually abused me and my DSis) has been dead for that long. I wish I could go back in time so I could tell him I'm going NC. I was too much in denial back then to realise just how bad it had been, as I had suppressed my memories.

Good riddance sums it up.

I'm sorry you went through that as well.
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Didiusfalco · 21/11/2018 16:14

Oh op. I hadn’t got half way before I was certain that you should cut her off. Your Christian colleague is viewing things very simplistically, I wish I could find it now but there was an excellent article in the guardian by Rev Giles Fraser about forgiveness and how he couldn’t and wouldn’t be forgiving the sadistic headmaster at his school. It’s not a must, even for Christians.

Diddlysquats · 21/11/2018 16:14

I can categorically say that you need to completely and utterly block this woman from your life. And I say that because my mother was exactly the same (without the alcohol but she was the one leaving me near to hospitalisation). This woman, will destroy your child when you WILL get approved. You don't need bloody counselling. You need to get this woman out of your life! She is not a mother. It's no loss. You've grieved a life-time for not having a mother, please don't jeopardise your prospects for adoption over her. She would love nothing more.

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