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To be frightened of where I live, do I need to toughen up?

158 replies

glitterandgold · 18/11/2018 02:31

I am a single mum to a DD 2, and a DS 2 months. We live in a private rented flat in a rough area of a northern city. I come from a working class background, and where I was raised was hardly perfect and it had it's fair share of crime but it was nowhere near as bad as where I am now (same city, but different area). There was a sense of community where I grew up, a sentiment of "we look after our own" and everyone would rally around and help someone if there had been a robbery etc. It was mostly families who had been in the area for generations and knew each other. This current estate is a lot different, the crime rate is much higher and I am feeling very much alone.

I am not here by choice. Me and my ex partner were renting a lovely flat in a decent new build estate on the outskirts of the city earlier this year until we broke up as he had been cheating. My parents are both dead, and I didn't really have any family support. So I had to give up our new build flat as it was too expensive even with my part time job and child support payments from my ex. I was in a shitty situation financially and that's how I've ended up in the flat I am in currently. It's all I can afford.

I moved in to this flat when DS was 2 weeks. He is now exactly 2 months and my landlord is actually a decent bloke. He's sorted out any issues that have arisen within the flat (damp etc) and it is done up to a decent standard.

The problem is the area. Let's just say this estate has a huge gang problem and has been at the centre of few news stories that will be well known nationwide. I've probably already given too much away. A young lad was stabbed 2 minutes away from my flat a couple of weeks ago. It terrifies me. I don't go out unless I absolutely need to and I order my shopping online. I've only been out once this week to take DS to a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. On my 5 minute walk to the clinic with DS in pram and DD holding my hand, we were harassed by a group of teenage lads. They were throwing cigarettes and rubbish at the pram and saying derogatory things about me and DD. They called me a fat slag but even worse they were calling my 2 year old DD "sexy". I started walking faster at this point and tried not to acknowledge them (keep in mind there were about 10 of them and 1 of me with 2 young children, I was helpless) but they started climbing on to their bikes. Thankfully we were right near a corner shop so I took the kids in there and waited for about 10 minutes until I saw them leave. I managed to get to the clinic unscathed but I called for a taxi to take us home despite it being a 5 minute walk. This was because it was already getting dark by the time we got out of the clinic (thanks daylight saving time) and I was NOT walking through that estate alone.

I got out of the taxi with DC and got into the building, I got the lift up to the 2nd floor with DC and as the lift doors opened there was another group of about 10 teenage lads standing outside the lift. They weren't waiting to get into the lift, just loitering about. Thankfully they moved out of the way for me to get DC past. They were watching me though as I walked down the hallway to my flat.

They were there for another 4ish hours smoking god knows what (it def wasn't weed, I suspect crack cocaine) and shouting. They were so loud I couldn't put DC down for a nap. 3 days later and I've not been out since. I know it's not healthy for DC or me to be cooped up inside constantly with not fresh air, and DD has been bored to tears but I don't know what to do. If I could drive I'd enroll her in nursery so she could socialise etc but that would be a 10 minute walk in my current situation and I'd be walking down the road that a 14 year old got stabbed to death on on a little while back. DC have gone for contact with their dad this morning (Saturday morning) and I get them back Sunday evening. I miss them like crazy whenever they are with their dad but it's also a relief for that one night a week. Because I know he lives in an okay area and he will take them out safely.

It is so bad here. Even now just taking a quick look outside my window I think I can see a prostitute loitering around outside the apartment building. And a few hours ago there was a massive fight between two groups of teens. I'm glad DC weren't here to listen to that as I think the noise would stress baby out and DD would have been terrified. There have been times I've considered giving my ex full custody, which would absolutely destroy me but at least my kids would be safe and would be able to live a normal life.

My ex tells me I need to toughen up and go out for the sake of the kids, but I don't think he understands truly how bad it is around here. I'm not sure how much longer I can cope.

OP posts:
NC4Now · 18/11/2018 12:25

OP have you checked you are getting all the help you are entitled to in terms of tax credits, housing benefit etc?

citiesofbismuth · 18/11/2018 12:40

I can recommend the northeast for quiet living. Affordable too and it feels safe.

abacucat · 18/11/2018 12:52

Women's Aid can not help. Women's Aid do not have enough refuge places for women being abused by violent and abusive partners. They do not help women in OPs situation. The sad truth is nobody really does.

Patroclus · 18/11/2018 13:09

No, its not easy Lovemusic, but easier than living in that environment for the next few .There will be cheaper places in calmer areas.

ReflectionsofParadise · 18/11/2018 13:33

@Zoflorabore stuff the OP mentioned happens here every day/night/hour. Have you ever been to the Johns estate, Fairfield, Anfield, the back end of the Dingle or even Speke of a night? Hmm Dovecot and Pagemoss are just local examples for you too Confused Someone tried to steal my friend's buggy in Pagemoss once - with the baby in it!

abacucat · 18/11/2018 13:47

I lived in a short street where a gang of drug dealers openly dealt outside the corner shop. I could see them from the flat.

glitterandgold · 18/11/2018 20:38

I've only just managed to catch up with the thread now, so apologies. Thank you all so much for the advice, it was a relief just to talk about it and get it off my chest as there really is nobody to talk to around here. I'm in Liverpool (actually on of the areas ReflectionsofParadise mentions 2 comments above actually). There was a 14 year old stabbed here but it didn't make the news, a lot of the time it doesn't in my experience.

I know the areas of the city quite well and what to expect from each area, the issue is just the pricing. I'm currently paying 400 a month for this place and I honestly can't go any higher than that. Someone asked if ex is living in the new build flat, and no. After we broke up neither of us could afford to have it to ourselves so we both left. He's living with his mum at the moment. Ex has always brushed off my issues about the estate, said he'd pay for better locks on the flat door but is very nonchalant about everything else. He did grow up in a good suburban area where barely anything happened though so maybe he has an insular view of things. I might get him to stay in the flat with us one night if he can be convinced. Maybe he will realise then just how bad it is and offer some kind of support. He did say he saw people shooting up outside a corner shop as he was driving through the estate bringing DC back from contact so all I can hope is he starts taking me more seriously.

The suggestion of downsizing to a studio flat caught my attention. And right now I think that is my best bet, no way can I get a flat my current size in a half decent area on my price range. I've had a look at a few and I might just be able to scrape something together if my ex helps a bit. There is one on a main road, right near an Aldi that is currently hiring (I used to work part time in a shop, I quit when I left my new build flat) and there is also a park and nursery nearby. There is only a sofa bed which I think me and DD would have to share, and DS would be next to us in a cot. This flat will surely be gone by the time I get round to moving but it's given me some clarity. It will have to be a really small place but as long as DC and myself are safe then I can cope.

I still don't know what will happen and I think it will be difficult, but some of your suggestions have given me such relief. I feel like there is actually a chance of me getting out of this hellhole now, and before I read these responses I really thought it would be impossible.

OP posts:
CS12345 · 18/11/2018 20:42

I can recommend the north east for quiet living? What, any and all of it? Are you seriously suggesting that the whole of the NE offers quiet living? Bonkers.

spreadingchestnuttree · 18/11/2018 20:48

I think a studio flat would be incredibly hard with a baby and a toddler, but a 1-bedroom flat would certainly be doable.

Good luck op Flowers

Chosennone · 18/11/2018 20:58

How about moving to the Wallasey/New Brighton Beach area? There are a few studio/one and 2 beds available on Rightmove for 385 up to 450 a month? You'd be in Cheshire which I think hasn't moved to Universal credit

donajimena · 18/11/2018 20:58

If you move to a studio you would probably get extra points on the housing application.

Zoflorabore · 18/11/2018 21:00

I think I've figured out where you are op, and if I'm right then I'm not a million miles away ( I'm near the Safari Park ) so please message me if you need some help.
The property pool is really good and there are lots of "available now" properties where you don't have to bid at all.
I honestly don't live in the best area but have never come across this behaviour and it makes me angry that you're going through this.
I pay £404 per month for my 3 bedroom semi from a HA that is on the property pool just to give you some hope Flowers

abacucat · 18/11/2018 21:03

A studio flat where you felt safe, and could take the kids to parks, nursery, groups, would make your life much better. Those who have never lived anywhere awful will tell you not to, but they don't understand the daily impact of living like this.

DaveSpondoolix · 18/11/2018 21:14

There are 2 bed flats available in Kirkby (not Tower Hill) for just over £400pm but they also offer a certain amount of weeks/months free. Depends where you'd be willing to move out to?

spreadingchestnuttree · 18/11/2018 22:10

abacucat I'm not saying don't move to a studio flat, and I agree a studio flat in a safe area is preferable to the op's current situation.

All I'm thinking is I don't want the op to jump from one bad situation to another. A studio flat with two such small children could only be a short term solution. Hopefully with the op's budget she could find a 1-bedroom flat in a better area.

imnotelenor · 19/11/2018 00:40

OP, have you ever heard of skem? People laugh and say it's a shit hole, and in all honesty there have been stabbings, robberies, but it is expected anywhere but never in holy hell would a group of young lads call a two year old child sexy. They would be slaughtered! I'm surprised this has gotten said in Liverpool. I can't believe how bad it is.

I love in one of the roughest estates in skem. Well it's supposed to be, I've lived here a year and never had any trouble. No gangs, the kids arnt to bad. And there are loads of baby groups, etc ect.

It has a bad rep, and as much as people say it's a shot hole it really isn't! People rally together! We've had a few problems but it's expected, prostitution and gangs of lads saying shit like that does not happen!

imnotelenor · 19/11/2018 00:46

m.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/38113517?search_identifier=2f80cac028f9bac695a32e3e96becb1b

This area is not bad at all, there's a school about a minute walk, I went to it when I was younger. There's a shop, and the houses are right outside. I'm sorry OP, I can't get you out of my head. Your children shouldn't have to grow up having men saying stuff like that to them.

I feel sick for you! Have a loook

abacucat · 19/11/2018 00:51

That is more than the OPs budget of £400 pcm.

imnotelenor · 19/11/2018 00:57

Oh I didn't see that part :( there is cheaper, and OP have you checked your getting all you benefits? There are plenty of one bedroom apartments.

It's not great but it's better than ere you are.

Oliversmumsarmy · 19/11/2018 01:08

Don’t know Liverpool.

But if the area is ok there is this for much less than you are paying atm

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-71701721.html

itsthemenopausenotme · 19/11/2018 01:13

I'm so sorry to hear that OP. I'm sadly in a similar situation, since my marriage broke up I'm living in a rough area of a city and I wouldn't walk around here at night either. In the block of flats I live in my neighbour opposite is not well and has run around the corridors screaming a few times Sad I'm scared to go out a lot of the time, as is my teenage daughter. I can't afford to move out and feel incredibly depressed that this is my life from now on.

Oliversmumsarmy · 19/11/2018 01:15

Or this on the Wirral which looks a bit dated but has an enormous room

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-72834554.html

ReanimatedSGB · 19/11/2018 01:28

I'm sorry you are feeling so unhappy and scared. But I think part of the problem is that you are living in an area that is unfamiliar to you, and you are upset by the breakdown of your relationship. Yes, some areas are rougher than others (I live in an area moderately notorious for riots and stabbings) but it is easier to feel comfortable when you start to get to know your neighbourhood - your corner shops, playgroups, bits of green space where other people take their little DC, etc. There are going to be other nice people near you, some of whom will have babies and toddlers and be willing to make friends.
Unfortunately, there is nowhere guaranteed to be free from crime and violence, particularly for poorer people. While we wait for, or work for, a reduction in inequality, it's worth trying to make the best of the place we actually live in.

Charolais · 19/11/2018 01:33

To think that those young thugs have mothers! What the hell are those mothers doing because its certainly not mothering?

I cannot believe how the U.K has changed. I've read two threads here today this one and families renting rooms in a single house. How did this happen? What changed in the U.K?

Birdsgottafly · 19/11/2018 01:35

There are houses on 'available now' now on Property pool. KHT are desperate to rent a two bed flat in Quarry Green Heights, where I was born.

Have you got a guarantor etc?

Keep looking because there are properties in your price range.

The lad that got stabbed to death was a targeted attack. I'm not minimising crime in my city, but I live between Dovecot and Pagemoss and it isn't as bad as suggested.

Having said that, I got out of Norris Green as fast as I could.

My DD lives in Prescot and its a completely different place to Liverpool. Likewise other parts of Knowsley/St Helens.

Have your ex stay overnight and see how bad it is. Although he won't get the same level of verbal abuse that you will.

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