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To be frightened of where I live, do I need to toughen up?

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glitterandgold · 18/11/2018 02:31

I am a single mum to a DD 2, and a DS 2 months. We live in a private rented flat in a rough area of a northern city. I come from a working class background, and where I was raised was hardly perfect and it had it's fair share of crime but it was nowhere near as bad as where I am now (same city, but different area). There was a sense of community where I grew up, a sentiment of "we look after our own" and everyone would rally around and help someone if there had been a robbery etc. It was mostly families who had been in the area for generations and knew each other. This current estate is a lot different, the crime rate is much higher and I am feeling very much alone.

I am not here by choice. Me and my ex partner were renting a lovely flat in a decent new build estate on the outskirts of the city earlier this year until we broke up as he had been cheating. My parents are both dead, and I didn't really have any family support. So I had to give up our new build flat as it was too expensive even with my part time job and child support payments from my ex. I was in a shitty situation financially and that's how I've ended up in the flat I am in currently. It's all I can afford.

I moved in to this flat when DS was 2 weeks. He is now exactly 2 months and my landlord is actually a decent bloke. He's sorted out any issues that have arisen within the flat (damp etc) and it is done up to a decent standard.

The problem is the area. Let's just say this estate has a huge gang problem and has been at the centre of few news stories that will be well known nationwide. I've probably already given too much away. A young lad was stabbed 2 minutes away from my flat a couple of weeks ago. It terrifies me. I don't go out unless I absolutely need to and I order my shopping online. I've only been out once this week to take DS to a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. On my 5 minute walk to the clinic with DS in pram and DD holding my hand, we were harassed by a group of teenage lads. They were throwing cigarettes and rubbish at the pram and saying derogatory things about me and DD. They called me a fat slag but even worse they were calling my 2 year old DD "sexy". I started walking faster at this point and tried not to acknowledge them (keep in mind there were about 10 of them and 1 of me with 2 young children, I was helpless) but they started climbing on to their bikes. Thankfully we were right near a corner shop so I took the kids in there and waited for about 10 minutes until I saw them leave. I managed to get to the clinic unscathed but I called for a taxi to take us home despite it being a 5 minute walk. This was because it was already getting dark by the time we got out of the clinic (thanks daylight saving time) and I was NOT walking through that estate alone.

I got out of the taxi with DC and got into the building, I got the lift up to the 2nd floor with DC and as the lift doors opened there was another group of about 10 teenage lads standing outside the lift. They weren't waiting to get into the lift, just loitering about. Thankfully they moved out of the way for me to get DC past. They were watching me though as I walked down the hallway to my flat.

They were there for another 4ish hours smoking god knows what (it def wasn't weed, I suspect crack cocaine) and shouting. They were so loud I couldn't put DC down for a nap. 3 days later and I've not been out since. I know it's not healthy for DC or me to be cooped up inside constantly with not fresh air, and DD has been bored to tears but I don't know what to do. If I could drive I'd enroll her in nursery so she could socialise etc but that would be a 10 minute walk in my current situation and I'd be walking down the road that a 14 year old got stabbed to death on on a little while back. DC have gone for contact with their dad this morning (Saturday morning) and I get them back Sunday evening. I miss them like crazy whenever they are with their dad but it's also a relief for that one night a week. Because I know he lives in an okay area and he will take them out safely.

It is so bad here. Even now just taking a quick look outside my window I think I can see a prostitute loitering around outside the apartment building. And a few hours ago there was a massive fight between two groups of teens. I'm glad DC weren't here to listen to that as I think the noise would stress baby out and DD would have been terrified. There have been times I've considered giving my ex full custody, which would absolutely destroy me but at least my kids would be safe and would be able to live a normal life.

My ex tells me I need to toughen up and go out for the sake of the kids, but I don't think he understands truly how bad it is around here. I'm not sure how much longer I can cope.

OP posts:
SheeshazAZ09 · 18/11/2018 11:25

You need to focus all your energy on moving out. Do whatever it takes. There are areas that are both safe-ish and reasonably priced everywhere. For example, my mum and sister both live in a northern town that is notorious for all sorts of crime but it's mostly in certain areas, which everyone knows. So they choose to live in areas that are fine and respectableit's where the older people and families live. These areas are not expensiveonly marginally more so than the bad areas. Meanwhile you have my deepest sympathies! You might begin by talking to some estate agents to find out where the better areas are, if you don't already know.

sossages · 18/11/2018 11:26

Long term I do think you need to find a way to move. As others have suggested I think you should look at areas further away that you can afford, and let your ex worry about how he's going to collect/drop off DS seeing as he's caused this situation. It might also be worth getting yourself on the housing list just to see what options are available. A colleague of mine ended up with a lovely new build HA place despite not being top of the list, because the HA were specifically looking for tenants in work for that particular development. A sympathetic housing officer who knows the estate you're currently living on and can see you're struggling alone with a baby might be able to suggest some options too if you're on their radar.

In the meantime, I've lived in some shitty areas too and I found the thing that made me feel better was getting on friendly terms with the non-horrible neighbours. I'm not suggesting you knock on doors and try to be everyone's best mate, but a friendly hello to people when you see them out and about can go a long way.

Finally, find out who your local councillor is and get onto them about the anti social behaviour. Point out you're a single mother and scared to go out when it's dark. There are things that can be done by the council and the police to crack down on this sort of thing (without you being implicated as someone who complained, if you're worried) but if they don't live on the estate themselves they might not know how bad it's got unless someone tells them.

Helentwinsplus1 · 18/11/2018 11:27

This sounds awful. First thing i'd do is contact the anti-social behaviour team at the council. They have powers to move gangs of young people on etc. They may also be able to get you moved higher on the council list. Speak to your health visitor, they can refer you to local children's centres of they still exist or they should know of local groups.

Do you have debts? Would restructuring those give you a bit more money for rent somewhere better? Christians against poverty might be able to help you with that and their volunteers are connected to local churches who might be able to give you some support.

Another mad idea is are if you can volunteer with some youth groups whilst the kids are with their dad. Might build your confidence up when you face large groups of them.

I live in the North btw and would never move back to the south.

Racecardriver · 18/11/2018 11:27

Well I think you are being completely reasonable here. You seem about as tough as you can be without taking crazy risks. Is your ex paying as much to support the children as he should?

Livinglavidal0ca · 18/11/2018 11:30

Can you ask your landlord if he has any other flats to rent? Might save on moving costs because he's already got all the checks he needs.

abacucat · 18/11/2018 11:32

OP will not have the money to move a long way. You need to escape OP with small steps. Bedsit in a better area that you can afford would be a first step.

Letsmoveondude · 18/11/2018 11:33

OPEN says in her very first post she lives in a northern city.

What i will say is, the whole country is falling to shit, we live in the home counties, we moved from Hertfordshire to Bedfordshire a few years ago, we moved to a nice newbuild estate, has a bit of a rep for being nice, but i have to say we have many of the same issues, our houses are being targeted by thieves, drug addicts have started to use our estate as a through route, and twice we have witnessed people shooting up in the public areas. First was in the evening when my husband was walking the dog, the other was in the middle of summer at 6pm just away from the street against a car. In the local area there have been 5-6 incidenfs where we've seen discarded needles.

Sorry, off on a bit of a tangent, but I've changed my view of what's completely normal since moving.

Someone was also stabbed 5 minutes from my house.

Is it possible you can stay with your ex for a little while? See if your Landlord has any other properties? If you cant move, can you start learning to drive? I understand it doesn't fix the problem but if you could get around that would ease a lot of the stress you face getting around, it will give you some escape from your current situation
Maybe if you could go to the Dr and explain what life is like, he could write a letter and get you some medical points to help with the council. If you continue this way you could end up depressed and anxious and unable to face leaving the house.

I'm sorry you are going through this.

dontalltalkatonce · 18/11/2018 11:36

Maybe if you could go to the Dr and explain what life is like, he could write a letter and get you some medical points to help with the council.

Sorry to say, that doesn't count for shit in most councils.

OP, your ex is a cunt to see his children in that hole and tell you to just 'toughen up'. Where is he living?

WhentheRabbitsWentWild · 18/11/2018 11:36

Can you ask your landlord if he has any other flats to rent? Might save on moving costs because he's already got all the checks he needs.

Now this is a fantastic idea .

Tistheseason17 · 18/11/2018 11:38

This is just desperately sad. I cannot imagine how OP is feeling.

I remember living in a rough part of Salford around 25yrs ago. I was scared to go tot he precinct and never walked out alone.

I cannot imagine doing that with babies Flowers

BranstonTickle · 18/11/2018 11:40

Echoing PP who say that, if you felt able to tell us your nearest major city & what side of it you're on, there will definitely be MNers with enough local knowledge to give advice on an accommodation search. The "north west" kind of implies Liverpool or Manchester, and I'm sure there are loads of posters who know those areas.

umpteennamechanges · 18/11/2018 11:41

I don't think you're being unreasonable, though having grown up in a rough Northern area it's likely they just wanted to feel the power of making you feel scared rather than having any specific intent.

That being said I would make moving to a safer area my number one priority in life. It will make such a difference to your DCs lives to go to preschool and primary school in a different area.

A little more info would be useful to put the MM hive mind into play to find some options:

  • Roughly what area are you in? Just the city will do
  • What is your budget for rent?
  • What sort of funds, if any, could you get together to put down the deposit, etc on a new place before you have the same back from this place?
  • What sort of job do you do part time? We'd need to make sure that kind of work would be available in any new area
  • What do you consider to be 'reasonable' driving distance? (I'm in the South now and commute every day three hours return journey, this wouldn't be even thought of as something people in my Northern home city would do so I think reasonable driving distance means shorter than Southerners would consider?)
  • What else is important to you if we helped to look at options?
Mosaic123 · 18/11/2018 11:43

Might be a crazy idea but do you have any friends with young kids who might want to rent a place with you?

This way you could effectively increase your budget for renting and and have a bit of mutual support. Share cooking and babysit for each other, half the Council Tax to pay.

It needs to be with the right person though. You really have to get on well!

another20 · 18/11/2018 11:44

How long are you tied up for with your contract? Would your x entertain the possibility of swapping flats for this period.

In the interim can you get out early mornings and back home by lunchtime - I imagine/assume that these gangs are not up with the larks and probably only surface in the afternoon.

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/11/2018 11:46

I don't know which area you are in but would something like this be in your price range just as an example

www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-65127428.html

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/11/2018 11:47

There is even a park nearby

Lovemusic33 · 18/11/2018 11:50

Do people think it’s that easy that she can just move? She’s a single mum of 2 babies, I’m sure if it was as simple as ‘just movng’ then most people wouldn’t be living there?

Op, you are in a tricky situation, you might have to stay put for now until you can afford something better, it’s not easy when you have such young dc’s. You don’t have to stay there for ever, who knows what the future may hold, you might meet someone, you might be able to save money or another flat may become available somewhere else. I’m lucky that I live in the countryside, there are not many flats here and now big estates, I lived in a property that was too small for many years, I slept on the sofa with my disabled daughter, it wasn’t easy but eventually we got offered a better house through housing acosiation and my life is totally different.

bringbacksideburns · 18/11/2018 11:54

You need to be proactive OP here. If you are a prisoner in your home with a small baby and toddler this will have a detrimental affect on your mental health.

Would ex consider a flat swap for a couple of weeks? To see how you live? I'm gobsmacked that he's content to leave his kids in an area as horrendous as you describe. What about his parents?

Lots of great advice here and please contact the people offering to help.

Is it Manchester or Liverpool? Would help if you gave the actual name of the area - it won't be outing as you sound desperate and will give some of us ( I'm mancunian) an idea of how to advise you on safer areas that are still affordable?

Are you on the Housing waiting list?
Have you any siblings? Have you no friends or relatives that can help with lifts and support?

For the time being you need to go to local libraries and leisure centres where they can offer lots of help with local groups for mum's etc and they can let you know where the CAB sessions are ( Citizens Advice) and maybe they can assist?

Libraries also have local councillor and MP surgeries and you can speak to them who will also be able to put you in touch with relevant housing associations and help.
As you are in private renting there should be some alternatives here - even if you just move out of the flats on to the outskirts where the gangs don't congregate?

Missingstreetlife · 18/11/2018 11:54

Sorry you are feeling so low, try and make contact with other mums (try next door online notice board) do they feel the same, will anyone knock for you?
We have groups of lads hanging around, they look threatening and are noisy, but if you say hello and excuse me they are ok. Drugs and gangs is different and a signal to move asap. It's not forever op, you are bound to felmvulnerable, you have been betrayed. Try to do things in daylight and keep your spirits up. Don't accommodate your ex, do what you need to do

abacucat · 18/11/2018 11:56

Even if OP swaps flats with her ex, he won't have the same experience exactly. Gangs who live in these areas know single women with young kids are vulnerable and so will be extra intimidating towards them.

RedRoseReb · 18/11/2018 12:03

Sorry I haven't read all the thread.

Had the dad walked around with you and seen the harassment / potential harassment problems? He sounds insulated. Get him to see your situation. Are there in laws?

Missingstreetlife · 18/11/2018 12:06

One week left, look up what women's aid are for. It's not helpful to talk out your arse

Gwenhwyfar · 18/11/2018 12:08

I agree with moving if you can because of the horrible teenagers.

However, I wouldn't worry about the stabbing so much. While it's really awful for the person who was stabbed and his family, is there any indication that you would be a potential victim? These things are usually gang or drugs related aren't they? Not usually random.
There's the odd stabbing where I live and I've never considered I'd be a target.

llangennith · 18/11/2018 12:14

Seriously consider moving somewhere more rural and far away from where you are now. You say you have no support and don't go out so you've nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Speak to the housing department at your council and tell them your plight and that you'd consider moving anywhere safe.

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/11/2018 12:15

Whilst it isn’t easy to move sitting around waiting for someone or something to swoop down and offer the op isn’t going to happen.

The idea is that if the op knows where she can afford the monthly rent and she can maybe look into using a credit union for the deposit and some removal costs or get ex to help.
Then there is a plan in place and it might not be in the next week or 3 but there is some light at the end of the tunnel

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