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To be frightened of where I live, do I need to toughen up?

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glitterandgold · 18/11/2018 02:31

I am a single mum to a DD 2, and a DS 2 months. We live in a private rented flat in a rough area of a northern city. I come from a working class background, and where I was raised was hardly perfect and it had it's fair share of crime but it was nowhere near as bad as where I am now (same city, but different area). There was a sense of community where I grew up, a sentiment of "we look after our own" and everyone would rally around and help someone if there had been a robbery etc. It was mostly families who had been in the area for generations and knew each other. This current estate is a lot different, the crime rate is much higher and I am feeling very much alone.

I am not here by choice. Me and my ex partner were renting a lovely flat in a decent new build estate on the outskirts of the city earlier this year until we broke up as he had been cheating. My parents are both dead, and I didn't really have any family support. So I had to give up our new build flat as it was too expensive even with my part time job and child support payments from my ex. I was in a shitty situation financially and that's how I've ended up in the flat I am in currently. It's all I can afford.

I moved in to this flat when DS was 2 weeks. He is now exactly 2 months and my landlord is actually a decent bloke. He's sorted out any issues that have arisen within the flat (damp etc) and it is done up to a decent standard.

The problem is the area. Let's just say this estate has a huge gang problem and has been at the centre of few news stories that will be well known nationwide. I've probably already given too much away. A young lad was stabbed 2 minutes away from my flat a couple of weeks ago. It terrifies me. I don't go out unless I absolutely need to and I order my shopping online. I've only been out once this week to take DS to a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. On my 5 minute walk to the clinic with DS in pram and DD holding my hand, we were harassed by a group of teenage lads. They were throwing cigarettes and rubbish at the pram and saying derogatory things about me and DD. They called me a fat slag but even worse they were calling my 2 year old DD "sexy". I started walking faster at this point and tried not to acknowledge them (keep in mind there were about 10 of them and 1 of me with 2 young children, I was helpless) but they started climbing on to their bikes. Thankfully we were right near a corner shop so I took the kids in there and waited for about 10 minutes until I saw them leave. I managed to get to the clinic unscathed but I called for a taxi to take us home despite it being a 5 minute walk. This was because it was already getting dark by the time we got out of the clinic (thanks daylight saving time) and I was NOT walking through that estate alone.

I got out of the taxi with DC and got into the building, I got the lift up to the 2nd floor with DC and as the lift doors opened there was another group of about 10 teenage lads standing outside the lift. They weren't waiting to get into the lift, just loitering about. Thankfully they moved out of the way for me to get DC past. They were watching me though as I walked down the hallway to my flat.

They were there for another 4ish hours smoking god knows what (it def wasn't weed, I suspect crack cocaine) and shouting. They were so loud I couldn't put DC down for a nap. 3 days later and I've not been out since. I know it's not healthy for DC or me to be cooped up inside constantly with not fresh air, and DD has been bored to tears but I don't know what to do. If I could drive I'd enroll her in nursery so she could socialise etc but that would be a 10 minute walk in my current situation and I'd be walking down the road that a 14 year old got stabbed to death on on a little while back. DC have gone for contact with their dad this morning (Saturday morning) and I get them back Sunday evening. I miss them like crazy whenever they are with their dad but it's also a relief for that one night a week. Because I know he lives in an okay area and he will take them out safely.

It is so bad here. Even now just taking a quick look outside my window I think I can see a prostitute loitering around outside the apartment building. And a few hours ago there was a massive fight between two groups of teens. I'm glad DC weren't here to listen to that as I think the noise would stress baby out and DD would have been terrified. There have been times I've considered giving my ex full custody, which would absolutely destroy me but at least my kids would be safe and would be able to live a normal life.

My ex tells me I need to toughen up and go out for the sake of the kids, but I don't think he understands truly how bad it is around here. I'm not sure how much longer I can cope.

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Birdsgottafly · 19/11/2018 01:38

Charolais, the Torys and the hatred of Liverpool.

We were the worst hit by cuts across all services and benefits. Now for the first time we have a housing crisis because of the bedroom tax and buy-to-let.

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tolerable · 19/11/2018 01:47

move to scotland.safe.and fuck all like that even in worst of it

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itsthemenopausenotme · 19/11/2018 01:49

The problem with private renting is the cost involved - agent fees and bond - and also if someone's receiving benefits landlords won't rent to them, many landlords also won't accept pets or even children. I can't move now because there's no way i can save for a bond and agent fee plus i have 3 cats my daughter loves from when i was still married, i can't get rid of them.

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Birdsgottafly · 19/11/2018 01:55

tolerable, she would need her ex's permission to move that far.

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lobeydosser · 19/11/2018 01:59

I'm appalled to hear what you're having to go through.
This caught my eye - it looks to be in a more manageable neighbourhood and it's got a bit of a garden out front.
Even with the agency fees it's within budget. Easy to keep clean and space for your toddler to toddle. Obviously not ideal long term but it might tide you over till the wee ones are a bit older.
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-76215623.html#
Plus your ex absolutely has to stay over to get the feel of where you're currently staying.
All the best to the three of you.

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Ghanagirl · 19/11/2018 02:09

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tolerable · 19/11/2018 02:59

birdsgotafly ...my time in liverpool was by choice..no kids at time.not sure how you get to permission bit?thought can do what likes?

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frogface69 · 19/11/2018 03:15

I live in a small town in the north, OP, it's terrible. Stabbings, shootings, armed robberies every week but you would think it only happened in London. It's a mn thing I think when someone says oh I live on the so called worst street in the world and I haven't had any trouble.
Bugger them.
A lot of good advice I won't repeat here.

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oflow · 19/11/2018 04:14

Hi OP I have pmd you.

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CS12345 · 19/11/2018 07:11

Charollais - way to make it women's fault. What about their fathers? Or do they get a free pass on parenting just cos they're men?

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CS12345 · 19/11/2018 07:14

This thread is full of bizarre comments. Move to Scotland, it's fine here. Really?????? So the cheapest areas of Edinburgh and Glasgow have no crime or gangs and they're not at all rough? Righty-o then 🙄

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 19/11/2018 07:27

That’s not great

Get yourself in a list to be moved (which could take years )

Also look around for peers and allies . Look
For community groups , other solo people

You can’t be the only person like this

And - have you tried Engaging ? I had some lads smoking weed right by the door of the shop . I politely said ‘no issue with the weed but could you do please nice down s few
Metres please ‘ . Not trying to get all hug a hoody but a smile and a polite word ? They are human beings. But yes / you might not want to risk it

Tell your ex to go for a solo walk 6/7pm

Then see what he has to say

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stopfuckingshoutingatme · 19/11/2018 07:31

But the main thing is to find a peer group as you won’t be the only one . And doing something will make you feel bettter

Fuck OP / not ideal but this won’t be forever Flowers

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Gwenhwyfar · 19/11/2018 07:34

"I had some lads smoking weed right by the door of the shop . I politely said ‘no issue with the weed but could you do please nice down s few
Metres please ‘ "

The teenagers where I live are not as intimidating as OP's, but I would NOT do this. They're not likely to take well to being told what to do and they obviously don't respect adults. This could really backfire.

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Gwenhwyfar · 19/11/2018 07:37

"The lad that got stabbed to death was a targeted attack. I'm not minimising crime in my city"

Exactly what I said.
There are stabbings where I live and I have every sympathy with the victims and families, but I don't think it increases the danger to the average person.
Where I live they tend to be drug related, rather than teenage gangs.

I don't agree with the poster above who seemed to suggest there's crime and gangs everywhere. Crime, yes, but not gangs (unless you call any organised criminals a gang).

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Oliversmumsarmy · 19/11/2018 11:24

I think once you have a plan everything becomes a lot more manageable because you can see the light at the end of a tunnel.

From looking around, I don’t know Liverpool, (it is one of the few places I haven’t lived in) so don’t know good areas from bad. Although I think the Wirral is supposed to be quite nice, (from what people have said years ago).

There does seem to be a few choices if you go down the studio flat route or even getting a 1 bedder for a lot less than your budget and a lot seem to take DSS too.

Maybe use the amount you are saving from your budget to start saving a little as well as putting some money away for a holiday or just to take the pressure off in case there is an unexpected bill or you want to learn to drive or do something or learn a new skill.

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jesuispissedoff · 19/11/2018 15:26

OP try speaking to Knowsley as well as Liverpool council. The roads off Pilch Lane (the Dovecot side, not the Swanside side) are council but nowhere near as bad as the roads behind Aldi. The Bluebell near Huyton village is also an estate but definitely safer/better than most of the others up that end.

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TigerMummy1 · 19/11/2018 16:02

Oh OP I have no advice but wanted to send sympathy and unmumsnetty hugs. It sounds awful. I've lived in some pretty rough places, and currently live on an estate that has a really bad reputation but it's nothing like that. Like a pp said, people rally round here and it's a community. I'd definitely agree with finding somewhere smaller in a nicer area for now until the kids are older and you can work more when they're at school. There's no point having 2 bedrooms inside if you're so scared you can't go outside!

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Goldrain · 19/11/2018 16:13

Sorry haven't read the full thread. What city/area is it?

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MonsterTequila · 19/11/2018 16:47

How about Widnes op?
It’s cheap, a bit more rural and not too far from Liverpool,
Several flats under your budget inc. www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-75166910.html

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Birdsgottafly · 19/11/2018 16:47

Goldrain, Liverpool.

jesuispissedoff, erm I live behind the Aldi, it's nowhere near what the OP describes. I walk up in the dark, with my Grandchildren sometimes. Dovecot Park is a nice park. My DD works in one of the fast food places, they get no trouble.

Off Princess Drive is getting better, thanks to the amount of Foreigners moving in.

You just avoid Finch Lane shops of a night.

But there's toddler groups on every day.

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Zoflorabore · 19/11/2018 18:40

I was thinking the same about behind the Aldi, it's not bad at all, my brother is five minutes away from there and we've often been to the two fast food areas near yours Birds and not a bit of trouble.

I often go to Lidl in Page Moss and have never ever felt unsafe around there. I grew up in Stockbridge Village which has changed beyond recognition and I have family there and again, I feel completely safe and always have done. Left at 18 for university in another northern city.

I think the op's best bet is property pool without a doubt.

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HalloweeninCornwall · 19/11/2018 18:56

How are you today OP? I can’t stop thinking about you.

Did you discuss with your ex him staying one night to see how bad it is, with a view to giving you practical and financial help to get out of there? X

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rumidumi · 19/11/2018 19:34

Just read this whole thread. I'm sorry you're in such a horrible situation. I really hope you are able to take some of these suggestions and put them into action. I can't imagine what you're going through!

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FeralBeryl · 20/11/2018 14:35

Sent you a PM OP Thanks

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