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To be frightened of where I live, do I need to toughen up?

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glitterandgold · 18/11/2018 02:31

I am a single mum to a DD 2, and a DS 2 months. We live in a private rented flat in a rough area of a northern city. I come from a working class background, and where I was raised was hardly perfect and it had it's fair share of crime but it was nowhere near as bad as where I am now (same city, but different area). There was a sense of community where I grew up, a sentiment of "we look after our own" and everyone would rally around and help someone if there had been a robbery etc. It was mostly families who had been in the area for generations and knew each other. This current estate is a lot different, the crime rate is much higher and I am feeling very much alone.

I am not here by choice. Me and my ex partner were renting a lovely flat in a decent new build estate on the outskirts of the city earlier this year until we broke up as he had been cheating. My parents are both dead, and I didn't really have any family support. So I had to give up our new build flat as it was too expensive even with my part time job and child support payments from my ex. I was in a shitty situation financially and that's how I've ended up in the flat I am in currently. It's all I can afford.

I moved in to this flat when DS was 2 weeks. He is now exactly 2 months and my landlord is actually a decent bloke. He's sorted out any issues that have arisen within the flat (damp etc) and it is done up to a decent standard.

The problem is the area. Let's just say this estate has a huge gang problem and has been at the centre of few news stories that will be well known nationwide. I've probably already given too much away. A young lad was stabbed 2 minutes away from my flat a couple of weeks ago. It terrifies me. I don't go out unless I absolutely need to and I order my shopping online. I've only been out once this week to take DS to a doctor's appointment on Tuesday. On my 5 minute walk to the clinic with DS in pram and DD holding my hand, we were harassed by a group of teenage lads. They were throwing cigarettes and rubbish at the pram and saying derogatory things about me and DD. They called me a fat slag but even worse they were calling my 2 year old DD "sexy". I started walking faster at this point and tried not to acknowledge them (keep in mind there were about 10 of them and 1 of me with 2 young children, I was helpless) but they started climbing on to their bikes. Thankfully we were right near a corner shop so I took the kids in there and waited for about 10 minutes until I saw them leave. I managed to get to the clinic unscathed but I called for a taxi to take us home despite it being a 5 minute walk. This was because it was already getting dark by the time we got out of the clinic (thanks daylight saving time) and I was NOT walking through that estate alone.

I got out of the taxi with DC and got into the building, I got the lift up to the 2nd floor with DC and as the lift doors opened there was another group of about 10 teenage lads standing outside the lift. They weren't waiting to get into the lift, just loitering about. Thankfully they moved out of the way for me to get DC past. They were watching me though as I walked down the hallway to my flat.

They were there for another 4ish hours smoking god knows what (it def wasn't weed, I suspect crack cocaine) and shouting. They were so loud I couldn't put DC down for a nap. 3 days later and I've not been out since. I know it's not healthy for DC or me to be cooped up inside constantly with not fresh air, and DD has been bored to tears but I don't know what to do. If I could drive I'd enroll her in nursery so she could socialise etc but that would be a 10 minute walk in my current situation and I'd be walking down the road that a 14 year old got stabbed to death on on a little while back. DC have gone for contact with their dad this morning (Saturday morning) and I get them back Sunday evening. I miss them like crazy whenever they are with their dad but it's also a relief for that one night a week. Because I know he lives in an okay area and he will take them out safely.

It is so bad here. Even now just taking a quick look outside my window I think I can see a prostitute loitering around outside the apartment building. And a few hours ago there was a massive fight between two groups of teens. I'm glad DC weren't here to listen to that as I think the noise would stress baby out and DD would have been terrified. There have been times I've considered giving my ex full custody, which would absolutely destroy me but at least my kids would be safe and would be able to live a normal life.

My ex tells me I need to toughen up and go out for the sake of the kids, but I don't think he understands truly how bad it is around here. I'm not sure how much longer I can cope.

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LightAllGone · 18/11/2018 07:08

That sounds really awful OP.

Is there anytime when it is quiet around there - even 6 or 7 in the morning - that you could go out - just to get a break from being indoors.

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RedHelenB · 18/11/2018 07:14

Definitely find out what social activities are on for you and the children in the area. Once you make friends you will feel a bit less vulnerable. Could you angora a taxi to take the children to play somewhere safe once a week?

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LaurieFairyCake · 18/11/2018 07:15

That's absolutely horrible - so sorry for you Thanks

I've lived in some terrible areas but nothing as bad as you describe. The flash points for you are getting in and out your flat as there's stairwells etc, and getting off your estate safely.

There are plenty of cheap areas in the north east but you do have to choose carefully. It's always better to live very close to a town centre as there's more police presence and more people walking about. Trapped in an estate is where you get groups of teenagers with nothing to do.

The worst place I've lived is a village where public transport was shocking, literally nothing for the children to do apart from harass or get up to mischief. Was a horrible place to live. Just 3 competing housing estates - all council and one barricaded Spar. I get the willies just thinking about it.

I've no idea what your rent is but this is the type of place I've felt safest. Town centres are dodgy late at night - which doesn't matter as you won't be out but they're busy during the day and safer. I know Boro isn't fancy but the town centre area is way safer feeling than you describe. I'm sure others can recommend areas they know too.

To be frightened of where I live, do I need to toughen up?
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wondering1101 · 18/11/2018 07:15

Please say your ex isn’t living in the nice new build on his own while you’re in the horrid flat?

Yes this ^

OP - yes absolutely do everything you can to move - even if it means moving some distance away. Your situation sounds so hard Sad. And you sound brave and strong.

How much would a deposit on a new place be?

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wondering1101 · 18/11/2018 07:16

Is there any police presence where you live?

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EleanorofCastile · 18/11/2018 07:29

Sorry OP this sounds awful.

Are you tied to any particular area? I’m sure mumsnetters could suggest alternatives if you let us know your monthly rent.

Can you contact you local police, I think there are usually neighbourhood teams, hopefully for a chat where you can raise your concerns and maybe give some advice. Not sure what help it will do but they may be able to look out for you. There may be a community association which could help you meet people around.

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PenelopeFlintstone · 18/11/2018 08:28

speakout
I'm shocked that there are places so bad that she feels she can't safely walk out of her own front door! I'm from what some people used to think was a rough area but I've never heard of a situation like this.
I live in a very rural area now, so I'm probably out of touch.

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Gin96 · 18/11/2018 08:54

Also the teenagers loitering out side you flat could be your children in 10 years time. I would be doing everything possible to move. Do you have any friends in the area?

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weekfour · 18/11/2018 09:03

I think you need to get out if the flat. Walking past gangs of teenagers is so intimidating. I would get frustrated and angry with myself. They're just bloody kids and I was one of them myself not long ago but it's scary.

Look for places on main roads. No one wants to live on the main road so it's cheaper but the road actually offers protection from loitering gangs.

You sound very strong and things change with time.

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CS12345 · 18/11/2018 09:04

I would do whatever it took to move. I'd move to a little studio flat, I'd lie, I'd beg, I'd sell anything I owned.....I just couldn't and wouldn't live like that. You must be in a constant heightened state of stress, which will take its toll on you all. You poor poor thing and your poor kids. Have you got a deposit with your landlord? Can you use that to move elsewhere?

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longwayoff · 18/11/2018 09:07

I'm shocked too, southerner here and appalled by your situation. I can't imagine living somewhere and being scared to leave the house. I have no useful advice for you though, other than to do whatever it takes to get out of there. Register for social housing asap. If you're up to it ask your mp for help. I'm so sorry for you OP, you and your children deserve better and I hope things improve soon.

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WhiteCat1704 · 18/11/2018 09:12

I would sacrifice space too....studio in a decent location is better than a 2bed where you are..

I used to live in a very rough area for a while..there were drug taking, intimidating teenagers there..I was single but after a while couldn't cope anymore. I can't even entertain an idea of doing it with young children...

Studio or house share would be better for you and your DC.
Also agree that their father should help more.

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Ispatienceavirtue · 18/11/2018 09:58

Agree with above posters - sacrifice the second bedroom for a safer environment.
Your children are so young that having you all in one room won't have a massively negative impact on their lives whereas the life you are living now will. Downsize to a one bedroom house in a better area then put your name on Council/Housing Association lists.
Good Luck

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TeachesOfPeaches · 18/11/2018 10:05

This was horrible to read OP. I'm a single parent with a toddler, lucky enough to live in a nice area of London and even then I have been frightened. I don't think many people understand how scary it can be to be totally alone with a child when it's all kicking off outside.

Surely your ex doesn't want teenagers throwing fag ends at his baby in the pram? Can you go to the council? I know people that have asked their landlord to officially evict them so they can go to the council
To be rehoused. You could end up in a worse situation though.

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TeachesOfPeaches · 18/11/2018 10:08

Also I only live in a one bedroom flat instead of a two so I can live in a nicer area. Is this something you could do for the time being?

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spreadingchestnuttree · 18/11/2018 10:14

I can't believe some people are trying to turn this into a North/South thing Hmm

As if the op would find it easier to rent an affordable flat in a nice area down South? Cloud cuckoo land.

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User97532468 · 18/11/2018 10:16

OP i would move out to one of the towns surrounding your city. I’m guessing your in one of the Manchester areas and the surrounding towns will be much safer. Wigan, Leigh, Bolton, Bury will all be less expensive and safer. Also please speak to your health visitor about how you’re feeling and how isolated you are, she should be able to help and put you in touch with agencies to build your support network. Have you heard of homestart? They may be great for you. If a deposit for a move is a problem please speak to your ex or look into credit unions. Good luck.

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TheBigBangRocks · 18/11/2018 10:21

I'd move heaven and earth to move, even if it meant working two jobs.

Feeling unsafe and the impact on the children and their perception would be enough motivation for me.

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WellThisIsShit · 18/11/2018 10:22

Oh you poor thing.

What are the prices of one beds? Is it possible to move out of your estate by moving into a littler flat?

I lived in a one bed with DS until he was 4yrs old. I know I didn’t have a second child though, so you’d find it more tight than I did, but I didn’t find it a problem at all.

I then was lucky and found a two bed I could afford. It felt like a palace compared! But DS snuck into my room and didn’t use his for the next 18months anyway, as he’d grown up sleeping with me, and felt lonely on his own. Basically, I might as well have stayed in the little flat!

I also think you need to go to your GP, I wonder if you have a bit of pnd? I think it would be completely expected, due to the awful way your ex behaved and having to move out when your little one was 2 weeks old. It’s sound hideous and I think youd need support with that?

Xxxx (hugs, in a non weird way from a stranger on the internet!). You have been through the mill you poor thing.

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ReflectionsofParadise · 18/11/2018 10:30

OP if you're Liverpool/Manchester drop me a message. I'll help you find somewhere better for the same budget. I live in Liverpool (and in one of the poorest bits, having come from one of the more affluent bits) and have good friends who work for the Police in Manchester so they would be happy to pass on advice to me about safer lower price areas.

Also you can still apply for housing authority homes as you have kids even if you are renting. You just rent from the housing instead then.

Drop me a message if you do 👍

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Oliversmumsarmy · 18/11/2018 10:32

Your only tie to the general area is your ex and him seeing the dc.

I would look on something like Rightmove and put in how much you can afford, studio or 1bed+ and the distant from your ex’s area/town of 25 miles and see what comes up.



Whilst you might not see anything suitable you might see where abouts are affordable areas.

Once you are in an area you feel more comfortable with you can put children in nursery, they will get to socialise with other children their age and you might even look to start to get a job and start moving forward.

I grew up in an area which sounds very similar to where you are talking about.
It made the council estate in Shameless look posh.

Whilst you can try to get support for where you are living, for your dcs sake you do need to move.

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daisypond · 18/11/2018 10:39

Yes, downsize as much as you can. Even a studio flat would be OK if you get a nicer area, as your children are still very small. I know a few people who live in studio flats with a couple of children.

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Ignoramusgiganticus · 18/11/2018 10:47

Moving must be your priority

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ShovingLeopard · 18/11/2018 10:51

Sounds terrible, OP. You must be so worried. You definitely need to get out. I agree, downsizing would be much better if it saved enough ££ for a better area.

Can you ask your ex for help with eg a new deposit?

Pp mentioned a credit union. Please look into this, they are set up to help people on low incomes to get into a better financial position and they can make loans.

Also, do you, or have you ever, had a religion, however lightly? I would urge you to go to your local vicar/priest/imam/rabbi etc and explain your plight. You might be surprised by how much help you get. Our local foodbank recently urged a young single mum, who had had to turn to prostitution, to go back to the Catholic Church she had not been to in years and ask for more help than they could give. She was reluctant, as she felt the priest would judge her, but instead of that he took £2k out of the church funds and gave it to her so she could clear her debts, stop the prostitution and put food on the table for her children.

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UpstartCrow · 18/11/2018 10:53

Your ex has shown he has no regard for you or his children, so write him off. Do what you need to do for you and your kids, because he won't.

I've been where you are, and you have to fight tooth and nail to get out as soon as you can. Even if it means moving in small steps several times, or accepting less than perfect flats.
It will be extremely difficult for you to find work with your current address, and the stress of living there will impact on your physical and mental health. You dont have any ties that are worth living there and your kids deserve better.

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