To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

[Whyisthisacceptable]

The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

Why do HQ allow goady threads (with ridiculous thread titles like this has) stand? Why not just take them down for not being in the spirit of the site? Mumsnet is obviously not full of "hate crime" what utter bollocks.

Wrexham from the evidence Ive seen transwomen can never lower their testosterone range to within the normal range of a female (although Im happy to be corrected!)

However, even if they did I still dont see that as a reason for females to give up sex segregation.

Quite honestly I can not see any reason for females to give up sex segregation.

We need a safe and comfortable solution for transwomen, that isnt taking female spaces.

Mumsnet is obviously not full of "hate crime" what utter bollocks

It depends, I guess. If you can stretch the definition of 'woman' to include 'person with penis and testicles', then I can't see why the term 'hate crime' can't be stretched to encompass 'things I don't agree with'

Werefox I don't think that tweet helps your case as much as you think it does!

My "case" is that she didn't say "Women - enjoy your erasure".

Because that is what the (admittedly limited) research shows. Transwomen retain male patterns of offending even after transition.

Source, please?

Did you know that 50% of transwomen prisoners are convicted sex-offenders? Now what could a convicted sex offender possibly gain from pretending to be a woman? Hmmm, it’s a tough one.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

Whyisthisacceptable
I used the term women because there seems to be this obsession that the people posting are real women and trans women are not real women.

1/ Trans women are not real women, real women don't have a penis.
2/ You have already confused sex with gender.
3/ How can you support a group that demands they are called by their preferred pronouns whilst forcing the term cis on others?
4/ Lets talk about male bodied athletes in female sports and how they are rated so low in male sports but so high in female sports
5/ Shall we talk about breast binding and puberty blockers in teens that damages their bodies?
6/ How does a young child know that they are transgender unless their parents have forced promoted that view?

Failing that how about you listen to the concerns of others before calling them names?

A580Hojas

Why do HQ allow goady threads (with ridiculous thread titles like this has) stand? Why not just take them down for not being in the spirit of the site?

I personally think it's so that more and more people realise how self ID seeks to erase women and how it is affecting, and will affect women. It's so that everyone can see how the TRAs fail to be able to define "woman" in a way that is not circular and does not use the word woman. It's so the issues are highlighted time and time again for the lurkers until they are left in no doubt as to what all this means for women.

That's my theory anyway.

"Did you know that 50% of transwomen prisoners are convicted sex-offenders? Now what could a convicted sex offender possibly gain from pretending to be a woman? Hmmm, it’s a tough one."

And the message from that tells you self identification is a bad idea and the umbrella of "transgender" is nonsense.

It doesn't mean there aren't still genuine transsexual women.

wrexham my point was for those who have said the number of men who might pretend to be trans for nefarious reasons was too small to be concerned about. A predatory male will use any means necessary to get his kicks, and as you say this means self-ID is a very, very, very bad idea.

"my point was for those who have said the number of men who might pretend to be trans for nefarious reasons was too small to be concerned about"

From my experiences I suspect that misuse of transgender label is certainly not small!

I recently heard a statistic that said the number of gender dysphoria transsexual woman who were on hormonal intervention was only 20%.

Did you know that 50% of transwomen prisoners are convicted sex-offenders

Can you rephrase to be factual. This is based only on those offenders that have been in prison long enough to have a case meeting. So those on a long stretch are likely to be for the most serious of offenders.

It’s horrible

Justified outrage (and I do agree with some of the feedback actually ) has morphed into hate speech

Just ignore the threads

I have been shocked but over it now

But yes MN tacit acceptance is concerning and weak

Not seen one trans hate thread. Just stating facts that you can’t become a woman just by saying so and then demanding the rights of women, ultimately putting them in danger. See a lot of women hating from the trans community though.

ThatssomebadhatHarry
"See a lot of women hating from the trans community though."

Quite. Weird that when they claim to be one of us why some hate us so much. Jealousy perhaps.

Very interesting article written by a post op transsexual, that the op and others like her could do with reading.

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/03/a-system-of-gender-self-identification-would-put-women-at-risk

Have you denounced us to the local constabulary yet OP? Perhaps they will close down MN for thought crime offences.

Perhaps you could set up a new site? gendernonspecificparentswhogavebirth.com?

Catchy non?

EarlyWalker if you read the link in my post (reposted below) it clarifies that issue and goes into great detail on the study that was carried out.

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners/

Instead of it being virtually minimal, there is a big risk to women by predatory males who identify as women without any formal diagnosis or consultation by a Doctor, who simply calls themselves a woman.

I have not seen any trans hatred, only concern and and discussion on how the GRA is going to affect natal women. If the mere discussion of the concerns of women, and the disadvantages of this are seen as trans hatred, than god help me.

Given that 348 in every 100,000 men and 27 in every 100,000 woman are in prison.

By your own statistics, there are 125 people who identified as transgender in prison, out of an estimated 500,000 who identify as transgender in the UK (again, statistics that are given on the Feminism boards)

That puts it at 25 prisons per 100,000 trans people. A rate less than woman.

So by your own statistics, trans people are safer than woman - let’s just all stay in our houses with our tin foil hats, MUCH safer.

If you see transphobic posts report them.There are strict guidelines and the moderators remove transphobic posts

Not necessarily. They (usually) remove the outright blatant ones if they're reported, but there's a lot that skirt and dodge the guidelines so get left to stand.

No. Its not. It's full of women standing up for themselves and their basic rights

Nothing wrong at all with women standing up for their rights, but everything wrong with "bashing" transpeople.
The Trans Remembrance thread for example was disgusting, and nothing at all to do with women standing up for their rights.

@treaclesoda explain to me then why I should be on board with it? How is it standing up for yourself to put others down?

How is saying 'a man is not a woman' putting anyone down?

How many of the 27/100000 women are in prison for sexual offensives?

Offences

Hate crime/hate speech, no platforming, #no debate!
No!
TW are TW and that's fine. They're not women (unless transsexual who has transitioned and has a GRC... IMO) and women don' t have penises!