To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

We don't hate transwomen or any other men

Most men are decent human beings who would never hurt us
Unfortunately, the violent ones and the predators don't come with a tattoo on their head proclaiming the fact

So we have single sex spaces
and we want to keep them

He's dead now but

Was that for me early

Like i said, im sure its happened

But i havent seen plenty

Off to check my previous post as im pretty sure i said that

voting

Oh bless him

I agree with hug works for everyone

I just like to Rebel within the set perimeters of the established rules, of course

Yep thats what i said

No denial that it has happened just the use of the term plenty

Rufus not directed at anyone, I just know these boards enough now that if you don’t provide proof, you’ll be told it ‘doesn’t happen’

I wouldn’t go around screenshotting everything, I clicked on that thread earlier just after commenting on this thread and saved it ready for the ‘it doesn’t happen’ brigade...

Oh ok early

Ill chill and delete the definition of plenty i just got

Yeah, i agree that people have said it

Very wise thing to do, HQ tend to whitewash a lot of history with their deletions.

Aw, the rabbit on a harness is cute. Could it pull a tiny carriage?

Early without context it’s hard to know if that poster is saying “all trans....” or if it’s about a specific situation?

I avoid the trans threads as I am a feminist who believes in standing up for the rights of minorities. The twisting and hate on them is unbelievable.

I have absolutely no problem with inviting trans women I know into women-only space as they are a woman. I have spent years living and working with men in close proximity and equality, and it often took me hours to notice that I was the only woman. I have shared lavatories and washing facilities with men (often at the same time) and on one occasion two of us had to share a mess deck and sleeping accommodation with around 20 men. I didn't even give a shit about changing in front of them. It's what's in someone's head that makes them dangerous, not their genitals. Any privacy people may want is irrespective of genitals; there are women I would absolutely loathe being in a confined space with or being vulnerable to, and I wouldn't be bothered about the vast majority of men.

Now I'm going back to ignoring the trans crap spouted on this site.

That screenshot is an opinion about the motivation of some people under the trans umbrella. Some transwomen are motivated by kink and are quite proud of it. So much so that an accusation of 'kink shaming' is considered reasonable by some now.

It's not unreasonable to say that you would prefer to be searched by a man who is happy as a man, than a male bodied person who gets a bit excited about the thought of themselves as having your kind of body.

That's still not calling every transwoman a dangerous pervert, it's expressing why you have a particular boundary.

I really don't like bringing Muslims into it, but as it keeps happening, the equivalent would be to explain that you would not be comfortable in a group meeting with a Muslim man who refuses to shake your hand as a woman because you wouldn't feel very respected.

when you could all be making your case on FWR and none of you be a lone voice. I'm even saying repeatedly here, and there, that I welcome the different voices. Not sure what else you expect me to say, really.

Seeing as this was addressed to me, just seen, sorry, but answering now.
I do go on there. So does EarlyWalker and RatRolyPoly. We're usually lone voices there unless another one comes onto the same thread to agree.
Can totally see why some wouldn't bother as they find it too much.

Toomany why are 88% of violent crime and 98% of sexually violent crime perpetrated by men, if it has nothing to do with the sex people are?

Verbeena, again, I don't know what you expect can be done about that. I am not disputing that the non GC voice is often the lone one, even though there are a number of you on the site. And yes, I do appreciate the sense of open solidarity I get on here with other GC women, because elsewhere I find myself as that line voice and it is hard.

It's what's in someone's head that makes them dangerous, not their genitals

Definitely agree with that, well said! Most sensible thing I think I've seen on these threads
Wholeheartedly agree.

How do you risk assess based on what's in people heads?

Thing is though Floral, I do think there's some valid concerns around self ID.
It's nice that on the main boards when these discussions pop up both sides get listened to and not piled on.
Actual discussion can happen whereas it can't on the other board.

Why cant discussion hapoen on FWR

I don't understand

Its virtually the same posters on here as there are on FWR threads

Fucks sake

Why is the o so close to the p

Who thought that was a good idea

Why, though? I'm engaging here, you're engaging here, we're both being reasonable and I know I'm not using a wildly different posting style than I do on FWR. The only reason that this conversation couldn't be happening on FWR is because there would be some women there who would post things that were snarkier than you were happy with, do instead of just engaging, you'd prefer to hide the thread. Honestly. Please post on FWR. This a self perpetuating cycle.

Why, though? I'm engaging here, you're engaging here, we're both being reasonable and I know I'm not using a wildly different posting style than I do on FWR. The only reason that this conversation couldn't be happening on FWR is because there would be some women there who would post things that were snarkier than you were happy with, do instead of just engaging, you'd prefer to hide the thread. Honestly. Please post on FWR. This a self perpetuating cycle.

Assuming that's aimed at my response? Sorry if not. If so, as I've and others have said before, there's more voices out here. Not in the other board. Where if you don't post "right", it's not right. Which they tell you, and say you're a man, a TRA or a handmaiden. Then go into a discussion of why you are whichever of the above.

The only reason that this conversation couldn't be happening on FWR is because there would be some women there who would post things that were snarkier than you were happy with, do instead of just engaging, you'd prefer to hide the thread

Well for me personally is because "sarkier than I'd like" is actually "overtly abusive", and honestly I'm just not up for that. Plus you get a million different questions hurled at you, in amongst all the name calling and character assassination, and if you fail to answer one (even if it's a really stupid one, or sometimes just doesn't interest you) that poster is liable to either berate you with it or crow about how your failure to answer means you're either evasive or thick. All the while despite the fact the you're going out of your way to write comprehensive and thoughtful responses, which then gets you slated as a self-absorbed sea-lioning "me-railer".

I just can't be doing with it, it was doing my nut!

Much nicer on AIBU.

Op an actual crime has to be committed before hate crimes have taken place. So in response to your op i don't think mumsnet is a hot bed of hate crime. It is however a fairly safe place to be able to learn more and discuss concerns. No one needs to agree but everyone can have their say in reative safety.

I don't support self id. I don't think that would be fair on the vulnerable woman, children and transwomen with gra's that need safe spaces. To me self id means anyone can say I'm a woman and gain access without question and looking around the world that's rarely a good idea.

I'm not anti trans,although by not supporting self id I am a terf, i should not have a say in a debate that doesn't involve me, except it does, because like it or not being a woman is the core of who i am. All the biological crap that goes alongside being a woman, even in a perfect society is my life daily and i can't opt out or away from that.

There is an inspiring transwomen on twitter who's posts are like a ray of sunshine in twitters murky, hate filled posts. She posts kind posts and is polite to all but still gets abusive crap posted to her account and told she can't be trans if she doesn't support self id.

I dislike the way consultations on issues around changes to women, the meaning and self id have been done under the radar in Scotland. Why? If there are few issues to iron out lets debate them and hear from all concerned. When things happen in the open there tends to be less fear surrounding them and sometimes more honesty.

Please post on FWR. This a self perpetuating cycle.

People just don't want to, FloralBunting, because it's such a horrible experience. Everyone gets alienated/disgusted/worn out within a few months one way or another. As Weet said -

I have tried plenty of times (and I've seen others posters on here doing so too). Every time I was abused, called a hand maiden, a TRA, an MRA and then repeatedly that I was a man. Then the ganging up starts, so you try to have a discussion but you face a barrage of demands to define woman or something. Then when you try to answer one question a load more are posted and then you are accused of ignoring them, or plopping, or not answering because you can't when the reality is that you can't keep up with the constant twisting or changing of the subject.

It's like arguing with any fundamentalist from Brexit to vaxxers.