To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

Ha. Although the leap from arseholes to Gove is not large.

floral

Yy...I usually get ignored by posters when i say i agree with them

Which might well explain the lack of pile on now i think of it

Which is weird as those are my views which i have stated and ive never been shut down

Really? You weren’t asked over and over again what makes a GRC holder ‘less dangerous’ or why you’re forcing them to lie by using ‘she’

hey were so brainwashed that they did what he to,d them and killed themselves and even their children.

Some tried to run and were shot for their pains

early

Nope

I’d forgotten that - apologies, @Rufusthebewilderedreindeer.

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius David Koresh and followers didn't drink poisoned kool aid. They either died from the fire or were shot. It was Jim Jones and the Jonestown followers that drank kool aid.

Some trans people do. Please don't make sweeping generalisations

Agree, and as someone mentioned upthread -it wouldn't be acceptable to do it to other group (think they used the example of Muslims), so why do some do it for transpeople?
You wouldn't say "Muslims want to do so and so...." for example.
What, all of them? No. Not all of them.

I don’t doubt that some GC posters hold this view, that’s evident from this thread. But they do not tend to be the vocal ones on the threads verbeena and I are talking about. Which leads us back to the point earlier of why more GC posters who are not on the ‘extreme, exclude all, men with fetishise’ scale, don’t ever question those who are and who become very offensive.

Argh - I am really showing myself up tonight, aren’t I, @AssassinatedBeauty!

I’ll go and hide now!

Im not saying you do this early

But part of the reason might be that I usually state its an opinion, not something that i feel everyone should agree with

But ive honestly seen other posters say the same things

Very often on threads posters say that personally they wouldnt have a problem with a transwoman using the bogs for example

But they seem to be ignored

SDTG

Thats ok, your point still stands

Either way the vast majority of them were brainwashed into killing themselves and /or others

Do any of the trans allies/trans activists question it when other trans activists talk about bashing TERFs, or say that lesbians are wrong if they don’t want to have PIV sex with a trans woman who has a functioning penis, or when they shut down or no-platform even the most reasonable of debate with doxxing and shouts of TERF?

don’t ever question those who are and who become very offensive.

I'm male so don't always feel it's my place to argue on the feminism board but I always report posts I feel cross the lines.

Do any of the trans allies/trans activists question it when other trans activists talk about bashing TERFs, or say that lesbians are wrong if they don’t want to have PIV sex with a trans woman who has a functioning penis, or when they shut down or no-platform even the most reasonable of debate with doxxing and shouts of TERF?

On this site?

Same captain

Cept for the male bit

I meant - do any of them question this behaviour which has appeared elsewhere on the internet and in real life - I should have been clearer.

Early

I would use the preferred pronouns of a TW in RL - mainly out of politeness and the fact I don’t generally want to upset people. It’s not because I believe they are female.

For some women, pronouns are their line. Just because one group of people has decided words mean something different, it doesn’t mean everyone has to agree.

I’m not going to police that. I would call out genuine transphobia - saying TW shouldn’t get jobs, are lesser human beings, are all rapists or whatever - but honestly? I don’t see that.

I think there's probably a difference in response for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it's an online community, and relationships develop. If you post often and become part of that community, there's a certain trust level which will kick in if you post disagreement, which is just basic human psychology, so there's that. If you only post a very little and leave when you are challenged, that trust will never develop in the first place.

It's also partly to do with how it's done, and tbf, not everyone has a particularly winsome posting style. That is what it is.

But also, there is a significant difference in position, in that I'm fairly sure Rufus is not campaigning to give away other women's rights even though she herself is quite comfortable with those situations. Often those who are not bothered by the retention of single sex spaces etc. come on with the position of handing over things which don't exclusively belong to them, which I'm afraid is not going to be welcomed as a good thing.

I'm confused as to why there are a number of posters who club together outside FWR and complain about it, when you could all be making your case on FWR and none of you be a lone voice.

I have tried plenty of times (and I've seen others posters on here doing so too). Every time I was abused, called a hand maiden, a TRA, an MRA and then repeatedly that I was a man. Then the ganging up starts, so you try to have a discussion but you face a barrage of demands to define woman or something. Then when you try to answer one question a load more are posted and then you are accused of ignoring them, or plopping, or not answering because you can't when the reality is that you can't keep up with the constant twisting or changing of the subject.

I ended up hiding the whole board because it became unbearable and that really saddened me because without opposing views it just becomes an echo chamber. I just didn't feel strong enough to face it though which is kind of ironic because the argument on the feminist boards is that they are fighting to protect the rights of women and yet their actions are actually silencing many of us.

Very often on threads posters say that personally they wouldnt have a problem with a transwoman using the bogs for example

And that is usually followed with " good for you but many women do and you can't consent for other women" or words to that effect.

Do any of the trans allies/trans activists question it when other trans activists talk about bashing TERFs, or say that lesbians are wrong if they don’t want to have PIV sex with a trans woman who has a functioning penis, or when they shut down or no-platform even the most reasonable of debate with doxxing and shouts of TERF?

I'm afraid I've never come across any of this, although I don't use Twitter and I'm told that's where I'd find the biggest rucks. But rest assured I'm not picky over who I offer my opinion to; if I think someone's bang out of order about something, I tell them. I don't really care what else we might agree on, I'm a bit of a shit like that.

Weet that’s true, though. I don’t care about pronouns, much, but some women do. I don’t draw other people’s boundaries.

ponders whether to hide AIBU as well

then it'll probably spill over into Chat to get round it. Then when enough get fed up and hide that too it'll probably move to HouseKeeping or the Litter Tray or something until there's nothing left lol

I'm not denying it's a challenging place to be in, certainly, Weetabix. There are a number of dynamics in play - I know I try to be as clear as I can be but I have a dog in the fight beyond just being a woman, and yes, that does make me quite pugnacious at times, but the thread style on MN has always led to the bunfight style of loads of jumping in which can be hard to follow for anyone, which is precisely why the bolding names convention started.

Fwiw, I do try to hold back on the "Where has the OP gone" stuff because I know that everyone has actual lives and jobs and all that and we are not all pyjama-clad geeks in our parents basement