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Whyisthisacceptable · 15/11/2018 18:55

The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 16/11/2018 20:29

I agree that using a mass murder is in pretty poor taste.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:31

Thank you voting

I would've used your whole name if you want to change it back Grin

wrexhamtrans · 16/11/2018 20:31

"trans people want to elbow women and girls out of the way "

Some trans people do. Please don't make sweeping generalisations.

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 20:32

I'm still not sure what the phrase "drink the kool aid" actually means, it's getting used more and more, it's some kind of red american drink used to poison a cult of people?

Not actually sure what kool aid is myself lol, obviously a drink that you're accused of necking if you have a differing viewpoint.
Example if you keep your own name after marriage, you're told you've been drinking the patriarchal kool aid so it's not your fault and you didn't know any better. Patronising.

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 20:34

take your husband's name! FFS lol. Proof read, Verbeena Grin

FloralBunting · 16/11/2018 20:34

Captain, I think it's a shorthand jargon term for 'has accepted the erroneous thinking completely'. I think the idea is akin to pod people in sci-fi stories, who have been 'taken over'. It's colloquial and colourful, and again, not really that helpful, and yes, I am seeing it more and more.

Verbeena, I still don't agree. Yes, people who present views that differ and are challenged do often back down and stop posting, which I think is a shame, but the robustness of the answers are no different in FWR to the ones in AIBU. It's just people feel bold enough to continue posting in AIBU, and for some reason there seems to be an element of tribalism in FWR, either in those who stay or those who don't and just post elsewhere on the site that they hate the place and hide all the threads.

There's nothing different in FWR to AIBU except the focus of topics. The moderation is the same, the software is the same. A thread was posted in AIBU and got moved to FWR and I was hopeful that, despite it's somewhat snide beginning, it could turn into a useful, engaged conversation, and it nearly happened, but the poster in question has stopped posting.

I can't help but feel rather bemused by this sniping from the sidelines about how nasty we are and how it's impossible to make your case when people just drop in, and then half heartedly bog off again.

PerverseConverse · 16/11/2018 20:34

I didn't know that about kool aid. I just thought it was a reference to trying to be woke and cool.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:35

Yes, you do get ridiculed/ piled on if you post on feminist topics that interest you if you don't entirely toe the party line of thinking

What is the party line of thinking

Just concerned that i might not be fully on board with the party line of thinking

Although i might be...you never know

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:36

Well it wasn't difficult, Ereshkigal,

I didnt

Fuck me im thick

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 20:38

Yes, people who present views that differ and are challenged do often back down and stop posting, which I think is a shame, but the robustness of the answers are no different in FWR to the ones in AIBU

You're right, the views on either boards don't really differ in robustness.
You fail to see or understand though that there's usually only one or so lone voice that braves against the majority posting.
Not on AIBU though as more views post as there'll be others likely to pipe up too when they feel they're outside of the echo chamber.

SmileEachDay · 16/11/2018 20:39

The party line shifts Rufus depending on who you’re talking to.

Like Michael Gove.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:40

I hate the phrase pile on

AssassinatedBeauty · 16/11/2018 20:41

Anyone who told you that you had drunk the patriarchal kool aid for changing your name is clearly being a twit. I can't believe that was the majority view and that you were piled on for it.

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 20:42

My line of thinking on FWR was that self ID = no. Those holding a GRC should be able to use our facilities. Transwoman should be referred to as ‘she’, no one thinks they are biological woman but they are trans woman and not ‘just men’

I was certainly not in line with the ‘party line of thinking’ and have been shut down repeatadly for this view on several threads.

FloralBunting · 16/11/2018 20:42

EarlyWalker, I'm not sure if your post about my post on the trans remembrance thread was meant to be a positive or not, but I really do try never to post overtly hostile or unecessary things, although I'm not a saint, so I would hope it didn't cope across as aggressive.

But there are women who post about things which make them angry, and I have no desire to censor anyone and tone police, and my post was really about wasting energy on things which were somewhat tangental to the issue.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:42

Cant stand gove

We went to a college for ds2 next year and we looked in a politics class

They were voting on their favourite politicians and you got a sweet...i told ds2 if he voted for gove he may as well not get back in the car with us

Grin

He forgot to get his sweet...but as id already nicked one it all balanced out

SmileEachDay · 16/11/2018 20:43

It makes me think about hemmorrhoid cream Rufus

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:44

I was certainly not in line with the ‘party line of thinking’ and have been shut down repeatadly for this view on several threads

Which is weird as those are my views which i have stated and ive never been shut down

Ive also seen the same views by other posters

SmileEachDay · 16/11/2018 20:44

If Gove ends up in charge I’m moving to Saturn.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:44

So i dont toe the party line

Go me!

I think...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:45

Abso-fucking-lutely smile

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 20:45

FloralBunting it was positive. I did realise that your post wasn’t for the benefit of those like me, but more for not giving the like of me ammunition, however It was still nice to see a Name that I recognised as being GC, saying something as I’ve never really seen it before on FWR.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 16/11/2018 20:46

It makes me think about hemmorrhoid cream Rufus

I could mot work out what this had to do with gove

Ive got it now

FloralBunting · 16/11/2018 20:46

Verbeena, I'm not failing to see anything. I'm confused as to why there are a number of posters who club together outside FWR and complain about it, when you could all be making your case on FWR and none of you be a lone voice. I'm even saying repeatedly here, and there, that I welcome the different voices. Not sure what else you expect me to say, really.

EarlyWalker, there are certainly posters who would happily say they are GC who hold to a number of those positions. It's not a hive mind.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/11/2018 20:47

@VerbeenaBeeks - drinking the KoolAid is a reference to the use of this drink in a mass poisoning - David Koresh was the leader of the Branch Davidian cult who got his followers to commit mass suicide by drinking poisoned KoolAid. They were so brainwashed that they did what he to,d them and killed themselves and even their children.

So it is a phrase that means blindly following something, and implies that the thing you are following is cult like.