To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

(post-Hallowe'en NC from WereFox, sorry)

Also I'm not on your side.

My side?

The other side?

What happened to non divisive and middle of the road?

I hate sides...would much rather be in the middle

What you just wrote seems pretty accurate and quick, @CaptainKirksSpookyghost

Are you going to be santafox at Christmas?

I always feel very uncomfortable replying to posters with a derogatory first part to their name

I usually only post the first part and I wouldn't be comfortable calling anyone 'idiot'

There is no sides, it's not black and white, everyone has equally valid opinions about this very emotive subject.

It's circular, but I'm not sure how else people with disphoria are supposed to quickly or accurately articulate that they identify more with the stereotypes of one gender than the other and have no understanding, or that they disassociate, even have hatred of the body they were born with.

I'm perfectly open to hearing anybody's opinion if it's expressed as reasonably as that.

“Remember the people driving this debate don't represent all transgender people.”

I a, sure this is true. I just wish there was more nuanced discussion.

What you just wrote seems pretty accurate and quick

And by the time I say it in real life, the person I'm talking to has walked off...

The reason the 'Muslim' argument is whataboutery is because it's completely unconnected. It's suggesting a Religious/cultural belief is the same as biological fact.

Which it isn't.

Perhaps not the kind of person who would ever listen to someone else then.

SmileEachDay BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Thank you both for answering my questions, I respect your opinion even though I don’t agree with some of the things. It’s a shame that the more ‘radical’ posters couldn’t answer them - the ones to whom it was directed are those who refuse to call transexual woman ‘she’

I’d like to throw another one in there, I asked this question on another thread and was surprised that barely anyone said yes. As I’ve said, I’m strictly against self ID, but when it goes past that imo - it can and does become hateful.

Would you be happy for a transwoman who held a GRC to use your facilities?

Also saddened that so many people have said that they have the feminist boards hidden now. Growing up with no female role model, this place taught me a lot about feminism many years ago. It is a shame that it’s become so overpowering with trans issues that woman feel they can no longer join in with usual feminist discussions or even comment on the trans threads if they have a different view. I feel like The silencing of woman has already happened, from both sides.

It is a shame that people choose to hide from things they may not agree with, rather than engage with what they do want to discuss. I find it frustrating that people berate posters for posting what they want to discuss, whilst having never started a thread or contributed to threads on other topics. It's childish imo.

"Would you be happy for a transwoman who held a GRC to use your facilities? "

That's a very interesting question EarlyWalker has asked.

Having a GRC doesn't mean surgical or hormonal intervention therefore you could have a GRC and still be functional as a male.
Equally someone could not have a GRC but have undergone surgical transition and hormone intervention.

Oh fine Rufus…

It is a shame that people choose to hide from things they may not agree with, rather than engage with what they do want to discuss.

Because when they do they get ridiculed/name called. So will give up. Not so much on this thread admittedly, as there's more opposite viewpoints feeling able to chime in with their point on AIBU.
Not so much on the other board though, you get piled on. Not surprising people hide when no-one wants to listen to them.

Because when they do they get ridiculed/name called. So will give up. Not so much on this thread admittedly, as there's more opposite viewpoints feeling able to chime in with their point on AIBU.
Not so much on the other board though, you get piled on. Not surprising people hide when no-one wants to listen to them.*

Entirely agree, being a lone voice whilst being called names and ridiculed by tons of posters is intimidating and relentless.

You get ridiculed for starting threads or posting on threads about feminist topics that interest you?

post-Hallowe'en NC from WereFox, sorry

I recognised you.

You get ridiculed for starting threads or posting on threads about feminist topics that interest you?

Yes, you do get ridiculed/ piled on if you post on feminist topics that interest you if you don't entirely toe the party line of thinking.

Entirely agree, being a lone voice whilst being called names and ridiculed by tons of posters is intimidating and relentless.

Yep, it is and it's no wonder people hide it.

Oy, foxy, I agree with Captain I think.

Also I sort of think things frequently appear circular, or paradoxical, but that's either because they're a short-hand for a far more complex system, or we haven't worked out yet what resolves the paradox. That's not to say we won't later down the line, we just haven't yet.

But all of that aside, I mostly think it doesn't matter. Because to me, I personally feel I could have this whole debate without that coming into it; I really think both sides can argue their points on this without anyone having to come to blows over what a woman is, or what it means to feel like one. That's sort of what annoys me about it constantly coming up, because if it isn't necessary for either side to "win" on those issues, why make a fight out of them?

At the end of the day we're talking the human condition and human experience when we get too far into these areas. If anyone thinks our rudimentary language is up to the job of describing that, with no linguistic or logical conflicts, they either think language awfully deep, or humans awfully shallow IMO.

I don't believe that you would get ridiculed for posting about other feminist topics.

Would you be happy for a transwoman who held a GRC to use your facilities?

I'm more than happy to answer that question. A GRC is irrelevant to me as it doesn't necessitate hormones or surgery and I don't believe that hormones or surgery makes someone more of a 'woman/man' than a TW/TM who has not had hormones or surgery. To suggest otherwise is transphobic.

I don't believe a TW is a woman but i've always been happy to share toilets with TW.

I also respect and prioritise the wishes of women who don't feel comfortable with that. Because I am a woman and I prioritise the need for women to feel safe.

I don't believe a TW is a woman so I don't believe they should be housed in womens prisons, refuges, have their crimes recorded as being committed by women or hold positions such as 'womans officer'.

Because they're not women. They're transwomen.

Awaits further accusations of being like a BNP member but that not being 'hate' apparently.

I recognised you.

Well it wasn't difficult, Ereshkigal, but I wouldn't want to deprive you of the opportunity to glower across the boards at me.