To think mumsnet is full of hate crime?

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The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

I haven’t read the full thread (sorry) but imo I see far more overt and covert racism on MN than transphobia

There's both. The racism threads have people adamant or unable to see that they're being racist too, just like the transphobic comments.
Difference being that racism rightly gets called out lots on the threads. The majority abhor racism. Rightly.
Transphobia not so much, you're still in a minority view on the feminist board if you call any of it out.

Perfectly1mperfect those posts you mentioned were deleted. And in accordance with mumsnet policies the posters will be banned if they do it repeatedly.

And the equality argument was that we should be looking for equity for all, not equality for all. You may disagree with that concept, but you have taken that quote out of context.

Did you read the opening post?????

Yes, I did thanks.

I was just making the point as someone later on said 'just delete them'

I did delete feminism, but still I have to see these posts.

Does that helps?????

whatsthecomingoverthehill

I am glad they were deleted. But I think other posters should actually make a point and tell these people they disagree with them and their posts are not welcome, as well as reporting them.

As for the equality argument. I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me. But to say that my goal was 'shit' was a little too far I think.

Can you tell me what happens given that lesbians sexually assault women too? If one is one too many, will you exclude all lesbians too, just in case?

Why do people always bring this argument up? Lesbians are women therefore have every right to be in a female space. As women, statistically lesbians are also very highly unlikely to be sex offenders.

However even in rare cases of female sex offenders, WTF does the offenders sexuality have to do with anything? There isn't a single shred of evidence that lesbian women are more likely to be sex offenders than straight women yet the woman in this hypothetical scenario is always a lesbian.

You really couldn't be more homophobic if you tried.

I'd agree that calling someone a “man in a frock” seems dismissive- although I’m sure I’ve heard Miranda Yardley use that term. but might be misremembering.

Is it worse than “girl cock” which trips off the tongue of many, many TRAs?

Men in frocks would stop being offensive if we just shut down gender stereotypes altogether. Thats what feminists have been trying to do for years - the whole TRA movement seems enormously retrograde and designed to reinforce small, restrictive gender boxes.

Verbena - you say 'cis' sounds offensive to you, you are a woman, yet you don't want to describe what being a woman is

Not on this thread, no, as I have repeatedly done on other threads and if you say different to the "right" answer, you get "wah, what a wishy washy answer, derp try again. What is a woman tho?"
You're not "allowed" to be a woman who is biologically a woman and also "feels" like a woman too.
If you don't tow the line of I'm a woman just because I have all women bits physically and people can't accept women can feel like women too regardless of what's in their pants, the argument is never going to go anywhere.

I did delete feminism, but still I have to see these posts.
I deleted the feminism board as well but now they have started posting on AIBU. There was a thread on site stuff recently and everyone queried how to hide a board and it was in reference to the feminist board.

I reported a trans bashing thread recently and asked MNHQ to address the trans bashing problem on MN and they ignored me. They also left the thread stand and deleted any posts from members who challenged the opinions of the op. It is absolutely disgusting.

woman bits obvs, not women

Just because a person 'wants' to use a female space, it doesn't mean they have the right to, unless they are of the female sex.
Trans women have the right to identify as women, to live as women, and to most intents and purposes to require others to treat them as women.
But I don't have to believe they are women, and I also have the right to continue to argue for sex-segregated spaces where I think they are important, appropriate and justified.
However many times someone says TWAW, get used to it, it won't make me change my mind. That's not hate speech, that's not transphobic, that's not a crime.

Or are we just assuming that a woman who sexually assaults another woman must be a lesbian?

We have already established that rape and sexual assault have very little to do with sexual attraction. Most men who rape other men are heterosexual. So why do people think gay women are the only women capable of sexually assaulting other women or are more likely to do that?

Just fuck off with your blatant homophobia .

Hey, why not blame the OP for starting a goady thread? How is this feminist posters' fault?

I posted upthread wondering why OP had posted in AIBU rather than feminism where most of the GRA topics are discussed - I'm guessing it's to achieve a wider audience for her claim that Mumsnet is transphobic and full of hate crime.

Perfectly1imperfect - you appeared to suggest that people who are gender critical are starting topics in areas other than the feminism board to get to people who are deleting the feminism topic, when in fact the thread was started by someone who seems to think anyone gender critical on Mumsnet is actually full of transphobic hate crime.

I deleted the feminism board as well but now they have started posting on AIBU

Exactly lol, more and more people are hiding which is why they're creeping out here.
To get the "what is a woman" argument up and running again as nobody engages anymore on the other board as there's no point unless you're some kind of masochist who wants to inflict pain on yourself . Or unable to let hate slide. The latter usually gets the former happening by default lol.

You're not "allowed" to be a woman who is biologically a woman and also "feels" like a woman too.

Of course you are. But given that there are many women out there who don't have that 'innate feeling of being a woman', you can't use that as being the 'definition of a woman'.

Just to be clear here, I'm not saying 'wrong! Try again'. I'm laying out why I don't think your definition of 'woman' is satisfactory.

Yeah, I've hidden it but can't escape the tenuous AIBUs popping up instead.

Once someone posted on a thread an image of an arm completely degloved down to the bone and tendons, and claimed (jokingly?) that it was an image of a phalloplasy. Whilst arms with tissue removed for phalloplasty aren't pleasant, this is not what this image was. It was obviously from a corpse, it was horrible.

I reported it several time to MNHQ and their response was that it was totally fine to post that sort of offensive image, even though it was a total lie, because... reasons.

To be fair to them though they must have to make a lot of decisions and do a lot of deleting, so I suppose everyone gets it wrong (in my opinion) from time to time when you're dealing with such a volume of reports.

I picked that up earlier plant. A lot of the violent/sexual crime carried out by women appears to be in conjunction with male partners. Honestly, should I tell my DD to not walk home alone late at night because of the lesbians?

So you are willing to exclude the whole group in order to save us from the minority?

Exclude them from where? Transwomen have always used female toilets. WTF are you talking about?

I deleted the feminism board as well but now they have started posting on AIBU

Who started this thread on AIBU?

To get the "what is a woman" argument up and running again as nobody engages anymore on the other board

Honestly? If someone could give me a definition of woman that included me and a person with XY chromosomes that was useful and not circular? I’d stop asking. I would!

@RatRolyPoly that's awful
Glad I missed that one.

Verbena - 'You're not "allowed" to be a woman who is biologically a woman and also "feels" like a woman too.'

Surely no-one except you knows what you feel like? I haven't a clue what my sister feels like, or my Mum. We have the commonality of our sex (biology) but that's about it.

Honestly? If someone could give me a definition of woman that included me and a person with XY chromosomes that was useful and not circular? I’d stop asking. I would!

Exactly.

'Innate feeling of being a woman' doesn't work, because there are lots of women (myself included) who do not have that feeling. I feel like a woman because I know I am one because of my female body.

Who started this thread on AIBU?

Yeah, but this isn't one of those, "Ooh look, a trans woman, how about I identify as a cheese grater and make everyone sarnies while we all sit down and mock them, a-hahaha" threads, was it. Or, "ooh look, a trans woman being a terrible human being, of course they are with their nasty fetishy autogynephilia, just like the rest of 'em!". I paraphrase, of course.

I paraphrase, of course.

Yes, with a bit of poetic licence I must say.