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Whyisthisacceptable · 15/11/2018 18:55

The whole active thread list is always taken up by tons of trans bashing threads. How is it acceptable? Anything relating to anyone transgender is bashed. If this was against another minority of people, race, sexuality, religion it would be taken down and reported as hate crime. I don’t understand how the feminism board makes it acceptable?

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WereFox · 16/11/2018 06:51

Yes… "We're not claiming all [minority] are evil" is a pretty low bar and almost all non-genocidal bigots will clear it, it doesn't win you any peace prizes.

SuburbanRhonda · 16/11/2018 06:57

Also the constant reference to ‘bad’ trans people.

I have never seen this phrase used on this site. Ever.

I’ve seen violent, threatening behaviour from extreme trans activists being called out. Is that what you mean?

SuburbanRhonda · 16/11/2018 06:59

The constant hurling of statistics to shut down any argument

I take it you’re taking about the “45% of trans people have attempted suicide” statistic that has now made its way into documents intended for schools?

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 07:04

If it was just about concerns around self ID and things that disadvantage woman e.g sport and prisons, it would be different and I think a lot of woman who aren’t on the FWR boards would agree. But it’s wrong to literally slate trans people at every opportunity you get just because you’re allowed here.
Trans rememberance days - slated, transphobia a hate crime - slated. Every engagement is shut down with ‘what is a woman’ as if it’s this all being question that proves you’re right, when really you are including the old school transsexuals in that too. It’s constantly using false statistics to back up a viewpoint of trans people being dangerous predators. It’s like the reasoning behind the fight has been lost and replaced with an obsession of hatred of an entire community and it’s really something.

EverardDigby · 16/11/2018 07:06

So you are willing to exclude the whole group in order to save us from the minority?

So why do we have anything at all segregated by sex then?

StopTheHistrionics · 16/11/2018 07:07

God damn women and their statistics! Leave statistics out of it eh? Confused

SuburbanRhonda · 16/11/2018 07:09

It’s constantly using false statistics to back up a viewpoint of trans people being dangerous predators

For crying out loud, how many times does this have to be said? It’s self-ID opening a loophole that can be easily used by sexual predators that’s the problem. No-one, literally no-one, is saying that all trans people are dangerous predators.

And unless you have been living down a well with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears for the last year, you can’t have missed stories like Karen White, claiming to be trans, in order to be housed in a women’s prison and sexually assaulting four women there.

Bobbywashere · 16/11/2018 07:15

How on earth are there still people on this board unable to really see the concerns women have? Why do they make shit up about the women expressing their concerns?

Well we know why. Some people really are desperate to silence women. We all know that's what this is really about.

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 07:17

On a thread recently I claimed that I did not support self ID, but I supported allowing those with a GRC to be recognised as there new sex and use those spaces. I had about 10 pages of people jumping on me.
Statistics are fine, but the ones used are often false.
Yes I know about Karen white, I also know of the white widow - shall we stop all Muslim woman being in our toilets Incase they are her? Self ID has genuine concerns, as I’ve said.
I don’t think anyone has an issue with that, it’s the rest of the hate.

StopTheHistrionics · 16/11/2018 07:22

Whataboutery is so tedious.

WereFox · 16/11/2018 07:23

So why do we have anything at all segregated by sex then?

Historically, it's mostly because men didn't want women around.

Can you tell me what happens given that lesbians sexually assault women too? If one is one too many, will you exclude all lesbians too, just in case?

treaclesoda · 16/11/2018 07:27

Historically, it's mostly because men didn't want women around

That's only half of the story. Women fought to have their own facilities. They didn't want to use the men's public toilets etc, they wanted their own.

StopTheHistrionics · 16/11/2018 07:40

Why would Muslim women or lesbian women or even sex offending women be excluded? They're women.

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 07:40

Whataboutery is so tedious
What a great response to questions you can’t answer.

Bathrooms were originally separated in Victorian eras due to the fact that previously woman had to pee in the street if they were out as they were not allowed to use the men’s. When woman started working they agreed to open bathrooms for them that resembled a home from home environment as a woman’s place was in the home after all. Very feminist.

wrexhamtrans · 16/11/2018 07:41

"Women were always, for decades, natural allies of transsexuals, for whom most of us felt a deep empathy as vulnerable persons who were refugees from masculinity. It is deeply sad that all of that goodwill is now almost fatally undermined, not because a cohort of women has suddenly gone rogue and hateful, but because the new transgenderism is an extremist, cult-like, repressive ideology that encompasses - in fact, as wrexhamtrans says, it CENTRES - not the dysphoric but those with sexual fetishes and paraphilias. Moreover, it is vociferously promoting a transitioning pathway for children that sets them on course for sterilisation, sexual dysfunction, surgery and lifelong medicalisation.

Tragically, it is transsexuals with gender dysphoria, who are now a small subset of the trans umbrella and are notable by their care and concern for women and misgivings about setting children on a medical pathway before they have reached the age of majority, who will bear the brunt of any backlash from the hard right. The part-time cross-dressers, sexual fetishists, blue-haired university oppression appropriators and other agitators can and probably will abandon their new identities in the event of such a backlash, leaving the genuinely dysphoric to withstand the shit storm they did not create."

Brilliantly put.

As a transsexual with gender dysphoria I very much feel a minority within the transgender umbrella. My struggles with gender identity were picked up at the age of 5 and have resulted in significant mental health issues and caused a lot of damage in my life. I for one cant accept a sexually motivated cross dresser under the same banner as me.

For what it's worth I am extremely concerned over the way women are being erased and I think it has gone far too far. I find that when I don't push myself into women's faces for acceptance and just let them see me and talk to me I find that I am accepted in the vast majority of cases.

Self identification is wrong....simple as that. It is dangerous to women and dangerous to dysphoric transsexual people. It is the new transgenderism that sees me subject to daily abuse and genuine hate crime because the fact is I am now under a label that could mean I am a sexually motivated part time cross dresser.

We have got to get back to old school definitions here..... let's get rid of this ridiculous transgender umbrella and focus on the transsexual minority.....the formally diagnosed and medically transitioning.

I use disabled toilets but were I to use a female toilet would anyone really have an issue knowing I was diagnosed, on HRT, had breasts and therefore was vulnerable in a male environment and had been castrated ?

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 07:41

@EarlyWalker I don't think anyone has no concerns about self ID, as you say though, if you don't see ALL transwomen as a threat you get pages of personal jump on.
It's not whataboutery to point out something the exact same. You wouldn't say all Muslim, so why all trans? Which some DO say as they will not accept any transwomen.
Interesting it gets poo pooed as tedious and not answered though.

EverardDigby · 16/11/2018 07:41

Can you tell me what happens given that lesbians sexually assault women too?

Hmm Women don't take all the precautions we do to avoid assault because of our experience with lesbians!

StopTheHistrionics · 16/11/2018 07:48

it's not whataboutery to point out something the exact same. You wouldn't say all Muslim, so why all trans? Which some DO say as they will not accept any transwomen.

Because it's not the same. As I posted upthread, Muslim, lesbian, violent women are still women so of course they would be in womens spaces like womens prisons. Men should not.

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 07:50

@StopTheHistrionics - as you've just pointed out, that's why you can't see it - it's clear you won't accept any transwomen at all. By your statement "all men."

Aeroflotgirl · 16/11/2018 07:52

Totally agree with Wrexham trans post, I personally would!d not have any issue with you using a female toilet. There have probably been transesuals like yourself in toilets and I have not noticed.

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 07:52

Sorry, statement all women. (Still early.) Yes, transwomen are women too like Wrexham trans on here.

EarlyWalker · 16/11/2018 07:55

Aeroflotgirl I made a post pretty much identical to what you’ve just said and was told I think woman are idiots because of course they notice every man and there’s no difference between someone who’s had surgery or hold a GRC or not, they still can’t use woman’s toilets. That is where the issue is imo.

VerbeenaBeeks · 16/11/2018 08:00

@EarlyWalker same.

StopTheHistrionics · 16/11/2018 08:00

What do you mean by accept TW? I accept their right to identify as a woman and seek whatever treatment they want and they should be able to live their lives.

Do I accept a male rapist using his penis to assault women in a womens prison is a woman? No.

Do you accept Karen White is a woman?

SuburbanRhonda · 16/11/2018 08:02

Statistics are fine, but the ones used are often false.

Which ones are often false? What research did you do to be able to refute them and say they are false?

What do you think of the “45% of trans people have attempted suicide” statistic?

Fine? Or false?

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