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The whole shit show can hardly be blamed on Theresa May can it

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dawnacorns · 15/11/2018 13:12

I'm hardly her number one fan but I can't see how getting rid of her is the answer. They just don't seem to know what they're doing. It's an absolute mess whichever way you look at it.

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LonelyandTiredandLow · 15/11/2018 15:01
Grin As if other countries want to spend billions on a Brexit type scenario after watching this shitshow!
ImpendingDisaster · 15/11/2018 15:03

A remainer should have never overseen the exit process. The reason the EU has acted with such intransigence is that TM never devoted any bandwidth to the no-deal scenario (along with David Cameron). She's cast herself as the supplicant from beginning to end.

Bluntness100 · 15/11/2018 15:06

A remainer should have never overseen the exit process. The reason the EU has acted with such intransigence is that TM never devoted any bandwidth to the no-deal scenario

I think this demonstrates the confusion as to how this works. Again it's about Teresa May. She was not the one negotiating it, there is a huge team or top civil servants who did this, and it would have been the same civil servants whomever was pm. Even the resigners, like Dominic Raab is talking about the civil servants who negotiated it.

People need to stop this odd thinking this is a one woman show.

Talith · 15/11/2018 15:07

It's Cameron's fault - he should be duty bound to be the one to effect the arrangements. If not him then those MPs who voted to Leave should have a crack at sorting it out. What a ridiculous thing for us to be spending time and resources on, what horrendous consequences and all because he was playing party politics. It's Trump levels of audacious craphoundery.

May I think has plodded on fairly admirably - let's be honest it's a poisoned chalice and there isn't a way out of it. I can't see an outcome where she's not pilloried.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 15/11/2018 15:08

I have no idea why she accepted the job anyway, she must have known she'd be the sacrificial lamb. A scapegoat. But at least she has stuck with it, she must have a very thick skin though. I do believe the transition deal is the best that anyone else from that bunch of muppets could have come up with. Doesn't mean it's perfect, just slightly shinier version of shit.

thereallochnessmonster · 15/11/2018 15:09

This epic shitstorm simply isn't her fault. She'll be the one whose name and legacy is forever linked to whatever chaos lies ahead.
Cameron, Gove, Johnson are cowardly, self serving bastards.

Yes. Absolutely. Dh and I were just satungn last night, it;'s so much easier for all these men to moan and whinge and criticise while

Theresa May has to get on with things. They haven't come up with anything brilliant, have they?

She's got bigger balls than they do, for sure.

And if Jacob RM, Boris Fucking Johnson, Useless Gove or any of the other shower of shit become PM, I am off.

Odds on next PM:
Dominic Raab - 5/1

Sajid Javid - 11/2

Boris Johnson - 6/1

Michael Gove - 17/2

Jeremy Hunt - 17/2

Jacob Rees-Mogg - 17/2

David Davis - 17/2

Fucking hell.

The only one who speaks sense is David Mundell.

From BBC site:

*The Scottish Secretary, David Mundell, said he had concerns about Theresa May's deal but he would not be stepping down from the Cabinet.

He criticised those who had, telling BBC News: "I'm disappointed that colleagues have resigned.

"We had a full and frank discussion inside the cabinet yesterday.

"I thought we abided by collective responsibility.

"People maybe had reservations about the deal but they signed up for it on that collective basis and I would have hoped that they would have stood with the prime minister."*

Quite.

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dawnacorns · 15/11/2018 15:14

I agree thereallochnessmonster
There is nobody on that list I'd say wasn't just in it for themselves, with the possible exceptions of Raab or Javid. Heaven help us if we get any of the others. We can't even emigrate any more.

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dawnacorns · 15/11/2018 15:16

Lavenderhidcote I completely agree about Corbyn rubbing his hands in glee when he has been so appallingly useless. I would never vote for him either.

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Bluntness100 · 15/11/2018 15:25

I have no idea why she accepted the job anyway, she must have known she'd be the sacrificial lamb

I honestly think she did it out of a sense of public duty, people who worked with her in the past have said she's very dedicated, not a show boater, she sits down, does her job, works incredibly hard, and then goes home, and comes back the next day and does it again.

OrgyofSausages · 15/11/2018 15:25

I agree with thereadllochnessmonster too.

I am not a Tory and never have been but I feel for TM. I think she has shown resilience and sincerity whereas she is surrounded by Judas-snakes from all sides.

SmashedPatsy · 15/11/2018 15:26

I don't think I'll ever forgive the Tory's for what they're doing to our country but I do have sympathy for May. She seems to be the only one of them who was prepared to actually try and find a way forward, whereas the rest all seem to just be grandstanding.

OrgyofSausages · 15/11/2018 15:26

I bet JRM was counting down the minutes on his fingers, the nasty back stabbing Judas.

RangeRider · 15/11/2018 15:27

My blood runs cold at the thought of any of the other options
This ^^. Anyone else is a scary thought.

Maldives2006 · 15/11/2018 15:29

You are aware that a lot of the countries in the EU as some of the most proudest patriotic countries in the world i.e. Poland, France.

I’m also not sure a woman whose lives in Greece a country whose government completely failed economically and required a massive EU bailout. Unless she’s subject to the inner workings of the Greek government or the EU can give a qualified opinion.

Maldives2006 · 15/11/2018 15:31

Corbyn has never had a chance at government and with the exception of McDonnell has surrounded himself with very eloquent and intelligent people

rightreckoner · 15/11/2018 15:32

I actually feel quite emotional when I think of how resilient TM has been - and I am not a Tory or a Brexiteer. I think she deserves a flipping medal and a statue just for sheer grit and doggedness.

That doesn't mean it's not a shit show. It is. And this is not a good solution. It's a technocratic solution to a political problem. But as technocratic solutions go, she's achieved something against all the odds.

For the resilience and fortitude she's shown, I give TM a standing ovation.

As for the rest of this shower, and the Labour party, they can all hang their heads in shame.

EerieSilence · 15/11/2018 15:33

This is like watching Game of Thrones - the final season. If it only were fantasy.

jasjas1973 · 15/11/2018 15:34

I honestly think she did it out of a sense of public duty, people who worked with her in the past have said she's very dedicated, not a show boater, she sits down, does her job, works incredibly hard, and then goes home, and comes back the next day and does it again

Well, i ve worked with plenty of hard working and dedicated people and they can be entirely wrong! she slashed Police numbers including ARU's (essential to ensure our safety, in these troubled times) removed British citizens rights and had them deported, she is as hard they come and makes Maggie look like a so called Millennial!!

Brexit is un-deliverable (at least for a generation or two) whatever border controls you have at Dover, you also have to have in NI and that is impossible, otherwise we need a tighter relationship with the EU and that, as we can see, is chaos and leads to a loss of sovereignty.

We need a PM who will show some leadership and tell the nation, this like 1938/39 all over again - in terms of weak leadership only.

EerieSilence · 15/11/2018 15:35

@dawnacorns - how many less hard-core lefties would actually vote Labour? I am very left. I am a socialist. I am for equality of chances, for social justice and respect for everybody. I wouldn't vote Jeremy Vissarionovich Korbyn if he were the only left politician to vote for.

SmashedPatsy · 15/11/2018 15:39

I think I actually have a solution.

Why don't we remain in the EU, but tell the leavers that we've left and maybe give out some free little Union Jacks for them to wave. That way everyone's happy.

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dawnacorns · 15/11/2018 15:42

I disagree jasjas It would be potentially disastrous for someone to steam in telling everyone what to do when the country is split in half in terms of opinion.

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MadeleineMaxwell · 15/11/2018 15:53

She couldn't have just said d'you know what, let's not do Brexit though madeleine

She absolutely could have. It may well have been political suicide, but it would have been what she believed and what she believed was right for the country. The ref was advisory (although the situation today is not) and Brexit was a choice. Not enough politicians have been honest about this whole mishigas hence the utter clusterfuck that is today's political situation.

WineGummyBear · 15/11/2018 15:58

The whole mess is Cameron's making. And Boris. And Rees-Mogg.

I'm also no fan of TM, but unlike the self-serving, entitled boys who ran away she's had a go at making the best of an exceedingly bad job.

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dawnacorns · 15/11/2018 15:59

Would've been nice but she'd have been out on her ear within about a day or two if she'd done that imo, so it'd have been pointless.

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