The whole shit show can hardly be blamed on Theresa May can it

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I'm hardly her number one fan but I can't see how getting rid of her is the answer. They just don't seem to know what they're doing. It's an absolute mess whichever way you look at it.

Teresa May made a huge mistake throwing her lot in with the ERG who have threatened her and now abandoned her.

She seems a poor judge of character and decision maker (Her awful advisors “sure, trigger article 50 with no plan let alone one agreed, chuck some unworkable and UKIP red lines in, then have a general election” putting ‘lazy as a toad’ David Davis in the important job, then not sacking him when he did no work).

I admire her doggedness and elephant skin. The flip side to that sort of personality is tin ears. She’s no team player.

She had an opportunity at the beginning to pursue the option of EFTA/EEA which would have met the ‘mandate’ to leave while being a sensible compromise that most voters would have accepted. She chose to rule that out and has been stuck ever since.

We’ve had an unusual situation of having the worst opposition leader ever. Unfortunately the 2 leaders share all the same traits.

I feel like Chicken Little. Unfortunately, the sky really is falling and only TM is there to hold it up. So, in the absence of anything better, from across the political board, she has my support. But she us definitely one of the architects who has brought us here. As is the Daily Mail which has done a complete about turn and is now calling its previously celebrated brexit loons 'traitors'.

She should call for a referendum today.

Instead she’ll probably get gove in. Urgh.

What a horrible thing to contemplate. What have things come to when Gove is the answer? Hells bells.

Brexit is the most depressing political situation in my lifetime. No winners whichever side of it.

If a GE is called, I'd be very surprised if Labour win outright. JC is not popular. So back to square one.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6395953/DAILY-MAIL-COMMENT-Voters-appalled-fractious-fighting-Tory-Party.html

Daily Mail have made a turnaround.

I know!! Daily Mail have turned on all the brexshit headbangers, calling them saboteurs, peutlant, graders. They’ve included Rees Mogg calling him a pretender.

Having their fanboy rags turn on them may change direction...

And now there is speculation Gove will quit too and do it again, any one remember when he stabbed Boris in the back, looks like he's contemplating doing it to Teresa May too,

These two guys fought so hard for Brexit, the public believed their bullshit, and yet when either one of them are given the opportunity to go sort it they run for the hills inflicting as much damage as they can.

Honestly I'm struggling to think of it as anything other than morally corrupt.

These two guys fought so hard for Brexit

All they fought for was their own interests. Brexit was what they thought would serve them.

Who is the bigger weasel? Bojo or Gove? I think Gove is ahead by merit of slithering around on the sidelines and his revolting 'more in sorrow than in anger' approach. At least Boris's ambition is naked and visibly displayed. Ugh.

What have things come to when Gove is the answer?

Gove is only the answer if the question is "Who would be even worse at the job than TM?" Other answers may be equally applicable, of course...

Who is the bigger weasel?

DH are always arguing over this. So many to chose from, but in the end, it always comes down to Boris. I guess the feeling is he never believed in Brexit, he knows it will screw the country, and he went for it out of naked ambition. JRM comes second, and Gove and Davis tie for third place.

It makes me cringe to think of the leavers who voted to Brexit 'to kick the elite'. I don't know what on earth they were thinking.

The term for it is not weasel but traitor, and yes you are right too many to choose from.

All they fought for was their own interests. Brexit was what they thought would serve them

Agree, sadly I think it's visible now to everyone.

Boris has went surprisingly quiet all of a sudden. The last thing he wants is to stand right now.

It's appalling that at this time, our politications cant pull together and get a deal done. The last thing this country needs now is a leadership challenge or a general election.

I'm hoping that the vast majority of MPs can see that, and quietly get behind may. They live here too and must know the shit storm a no deal would lead us to, never mind the almighty fuck up if we changed leader or went to a general election. It's the time to get together not fight.

The only good news is that Jacob Rees Guy is deeply unlikeable and he seems to be the twat leading the charge.

Farage can take the podium as villain #1.

May prioritised unifying her party over national interest. She could have stepped aside so many times to let the zealots get on with self-imploding the Brexit project, but she has shielded them until we reach present crisis point. She deserves big chunk of blame even if I can separately admire her tenacity.

It also haunts me, all the people who rang up radio shows & said to TV reporters, on 24.6.18 & the days afterwards "I'm so distressed. I never thought this would happen. I voted leave but only to give the establishment a kicking. I didn't really want Brexit to happen."

I'm supposed to be kind but those regrexiters are my #2 group to vilify. Followed by everyone else who voted for Brexit. Farage only had one vote to cast. So Grow up and own this shit that you Brexiter Lot created.

Can't say I'm hugely surprised at Fail changing tack - Rothermere has a lot of money riding on this - he made 100's of millions when we voted leave but he's not stupid enough to want to crash out with no deal. We are all just puppets on strings.

Gove, Boris, Farage and Mogg are like Dickensian caricatures of awful, self-serving, slimy and amoral politicians. Corbyn et al are like caricatures of useless, confused, out-of-date dunderheads. It's shocking that we're in this situation and that's who's waiting in the wings if May is out.

I'm not surprised at the mail changing tack, to be fair to them they have always been fairly adept at reading the public mood. And the public mood is get it done. Stop fucking bitching. Don't lead us to no deal and don't embarrass us by forcing a leadership contest or general election right now.

And ultimately they are british citizens too and no one likes what folks like Rees, mcvey, mogg, Boris are doing.

These people have vastly under estimated the intelligence of the british public and our sense of fair play, they have sought to capitalise on the Brexit situation to feather their own political nests and will happily see us in a mess to get their five mins of fame r secure their own futures.

None of the brexiteers want to take over. They would never get their hard-line Brexit through Parliament. I don't even know what Labour are going to even start negotiating Their Brexit strategy is made up of vague meaningless statements like 'something that will protect jobs' . The EU will laugh them out of the room and a divided electorate won't stand for it. I want us to throw a second referendum with a resounding remain win that shuts the brexiteers up for a very long time or TM to say 'It's this deal or no Brexit' and then have no brexit but failing that then this deal is something agreed between the parties, its a compromise and hopefully a starting point for ongoing relations with the EU.

We just have to hope there are enough sane people in Westminister not to let Mogg/Boris/Gove on the throne. I'm guessing Hammond if they boot May - sensible and calm. Really don't think it is the answer right now though (terrible for our reputation, if it can get any worse globally!) and hard;y screams Strong and Stable .

It could all go horribly wrong if there are too many far-right Brexiteers in the right room at the right time - all feels like a very delicate balancing act to keep them in check but I am concerned it has gone too far being unchecked in the Tory party. It feels like we could easily slip into a situation where extreme nationalists are sharing up the country.

Twitter rumour of imminent no confidence vote linky

They may soon no longer be able to hang it all around TM's neck...

I'm hoping there are enough sane people too. I watched a lady from the home office being interviewed on sky yesterday and she said she'd wanted to talk out because she wanted people to know they were not all "writing letters".

Hopefully there is enough like her. That there is no leadership contest and parliament quietly vote this deal through and we can get on with it.

A lot of people seem to think Theresa May has been working alone on the negotiations, and has written this 500 odd page document herself with the head of the EU. On a negotiation you win some and you lose some, no team of people would be able to get everything they wanted, and she is right to realise that there comes a point where headway has to be made. If she was a man I really don’t think there would be some calling for a vote of no confidence. Whoever was heading up this process was going to have an impossible time, I’m not a fan of the conservatives but I think she has handled it well.

I'm utterly sick of the lot of them, that the people of this country can choose to be led by one self-serving, clueless politician or another, from any party.
Having said that the way her own party has pushed her under a whole fleet of bloody buses no matter what she does just makes them look spineless as well.
What a sorry mess.