The whole shit show can hardly be blamed on Theresa May can it

[dawnacorns]

I'm hardly her number one fan but I can't see how getting rid of her is the answer. They just don't seem to know what they're doing. It's an absolute mess whichever way you look at it.

I think she’s in an impossible position but she has shown more spine than the original Brexiteers and Cameron. I believe the deal the government got was the best they were going to get. We were always in a weak negotiating position. I sincerely hope there is another vote and Brexit is just abandoned.

The conservatives have manage to tear their party apart and today made the country look like a bloody farce to the world. They are not doing this for the greater good but political backstabbing and party politics. So much for strong and stable government...

I just wonder if she would be getting this much infighting / negativity if she was a man🤔
I think she might from most political quarters but not from the newspapers and media.

They should never have put it to a referendum without a clear plan for exiting. Inevitable that it would mean different things to different people and be impossible to carry out.

Of course leave voters deserve their share of blame. They should be embarrassed.
I know several who have started lying about it.

The conservatives have manage to tear their party apart and today made the country look like a bloody farce to the world. They are not doing this for the greater good but political backstabbing and party politics.
Totally agree with this.

Well, though, that’s the bloody thing, isn’t it? It’s the result of an attempt at a popularist, ‘ othering’ campaign that appealed dramatically to those who are enfranchised,but ill- informed and easily influenced by rhetoric and a red bus. I am genuinely perplexed as to what ‘leave’ voters wanted and how they expected the practicalities to work out? I honestly think there was no actual realisation or understanding of the actual amount of legality that had to be undertaken or the profound effects it could have.

True! Not the biggest fan here but you have to feel for her.

I agree. The deal is shit. It was always going to be shit because Brexit is shit. But it's better than no deal so we are stuck with it and all this fighting is more about people posturing for an election than actually serving anyone. And I say that even though my heart still yearns for a referendum to turn the clock back.

Leave voters were sadly naive enough to believe this was going to be easy/better for us/somehow make us great again. It was sadly largely driven by immigration - although the posters Farage stood next to had non-EU refugees fleeing war . A lot of leave voters didn't seem to understand that their very white doctor, decorator, nanny, newsagent or taxi driver may suddenly feel very unwelcome and leave. The irony is May has been doing deals with India to try to make up for the anticipated loss in labour. I very much doubt most leavers wanted that, but hey - it's all under immigration isn't it?
I still blame the ones who are blindly clinging onto the whole "get behind it" bollocks - it was always going to be thus, you simply didn't want to hear it. I'm not going to pretend I didn't realise 2 years ago to make you feel better

Theresa May CAUSED Brexit
When she was home secretary from 2010 her Xenophobic Racism brought in the hostile environment
that drove the anti immigrant part of the vote.

Brexit is her fault
She shat on her own doorstep. She has to clear it up.

I think you'll find it's a worldwide issue at the moment talkinpeace see US and other countries dealing with a surge in right wing extremism, so that can't all be attributed to TM

Windrush was hardly a fine hour for her. Amber Rudd as a scapegoat too...

dawn
I am not British by birth and am currently working in Ireland.

hostile environment is uniquely Theresa's work

• deporting British people to die abroad (Windrush)
• telling legal EU residents that they are illegal (and paying compensation when the courts have a backbone)
• removing the passports of children on holiday with their grandparents in Belgium
• denying cancer care to people with ILR status
• THE MOST expensive visa system in the world

Trump is an arse,
but Theresa is xenophobic - she will reap what she sowed

Best we just disagree talkinpeace
May be wrong but I think I encountered you on another thread as a momentum bot.

I think many of us will need to disagree with you talkinpeace.

Dawnacorns
LOL at me being pro Corbyn.
He's a muppet of the first order
and I've been using this name for over ten years

apologies in that case but let's just agree to disagree

Bluntness
Do you think that the pro Brexit blinkered dinosaur that is the Corbyn/Macdonnell machine has any better ideas for this country?

May is a nasty piece of work
but she's less insane that the rabid brexiters

"if you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere"
That still makes my skin crawl and makes me want to slap her.

I am still fully blaming Nigel farage and Boris Johnson for this. They led the campaign and then scuttled off when they won. Their fault.'

As much as I agree about the two I would also add also the party leaders who failed to campaign agains it, you know who they are and the people who actually voted for this idiocy.

Well clearly I don't think Corbyn or macdonnell would be any better, in fact it would be worse, but I disagree on your assassination of Teresa mays personality and I disagree with making her personally and uniquely responsible for all the things you mention.

As per the op, we just need to disagree and leave it there.

Bluntness
Are you saying that she, as Home Secretary from 2010 to 2016, was not responsible for the introduction of the hostile environment ?
That she was not the Home Secretary who brought in the immigrants go home vans?
That she was not the Home Secretary who made it a campaign promise of the Tories to get immigration down to the tens of thousands?
Really?

Because that attitude is what made legal, work based immigration a rich seam for Nigel Farage and thus delivered Brexit.

Cannot stand Tories, Theresa May or Brexit. It's a shit deal, but probably the best we will get in this sorry fuckin mess.
And no its not TM's fault it's a shit deal, but we shouldn't have been in this crap in the first place.

As much as I agree about the two I would also add also the party leaders who failed to campaign agains it, you know who they are and the people who actually voted for this idiocy.

There is that, but at least they campaigned against it. Farage and Johnson started all of this and then bolted out the door because they knew it wouldn't work.

The people that voted for it are stupid, but they were being led by manipulative idiots. Wish they had had a better mind to realise how stupid the idea was though.

I've been thinking this lately. I also thought that actually, it's not a surprise that a woman was put into place to deal with brexit so they could blame her rather than a man.

No one would have done a good job. They'd have just done a shit job differently.

I'm so utterly fed up of brexit tbh.