To believe there is no such thing as a female penis?

[Shriek]

Ppl with penis raping, yet called women.
WTAF! Gangs of ppl with penis stamping on man's head, referred to as 'women'
Wtf is going on, has the world gone mad?

And there are feminists merrily cheering them on.

The only "feminists" cheering them on are the libfems who don't, to my mind, qualify as feminists at all. They centre men and support sex work as empowering.

I'm a second wave feminist, aka radical feminist (from the Latin word for root), which means there's a theoretical structure to my political position. Liberal feminism, the sort exemplified by the ghastly of Everyday Menism, has no intellectual content at all.

Exactly what happened to me. I got educated through MN and I got really angry. And now I do what’s I can to support women. I’ve never been a radical feminist, because I was never particularly political. I am now though.

Yeah I didn’t mean all feminists! Sorry, just the trans inclusive lot who are basically being handmaidens

The thing is we have to get angry, keep these threads going, keep the Fairplay for Women up there in the forefront. We will not be shut up by TRAs and their brainwashed female mouthpieces and the far left Labour party.

I would dearly love for that photo I posted to be discredited as untrue but sadly I suspect if not those women (who run a “delightful” Instagram page complete with blood-soaked t-shirts proclaiming “I punch Terfs”) then there will be some super-woke individual doing so.
The photo is a real photo, it just seems to be for making their art, rather than to donate blood to trans men. Women cutting themselves to gather blood for trans men has the distinct whiff of fake news, but who knows.

The thing is we have to get angry, keep these threads going, keep the Fairplay for Women up there in the forefront. We will not be shut up by TRAs and their brainwashed female mouthpieces and the far left Labour party.

YY, Aeroflotgirl. But it's not just the Labour party by any means.

The Tories, the Greens and the LibDems are all just as bad. It's the Tories who are talking about changing the law, remember.

i punch TERFs
Nice, incitement to violence.
Peaceable bunch
Suck my lady dick
I punch TERFs

That’s what worries me. If all political parties support GRA who do we vote for. How do we make our voice heard?

Apologies, meant transwomen in my last post, not transmen.

www.onwednesdays.net/trans-girl-periods/

Honestly, just stop the world I want to get off.

I'm sure there are lots of us feeling politically homeless now. If anyone knows of anyone trying to get a viable alternative together then I'd love to know?

I was thinking that Prawnof, it is also Tories who are going ahead with this stupid GRA. When I heard the transwoman talk about Females with penis, it just was so wrong, it made my skin crawl. They don't want to be transwomen, but define themselves as 'real women', how can they be real or biological women when they are still biologically men! The mind boggles, we have to shut this nonsense up. Really I did not consider myself a feminist at before all this happened. I Used to think Feminists were non shaving, bra burning women. I can see that this GRA poses a real threat to women girls and their safety and identity. As well as the menz taking what is for women i.e. that transman who won the cycle champion chip, and a cross dressing man who was in the top 100 Female executives, wtaf!!!!

Prawn that video you shared with the transwoman in it just made me so angry.

Me too @aero if you don’t like it then just don’t talk about!! Really?

The biological stuff in your site link of transwomen with [cough, cough] periods
I need to understand better.
Is he transperson, speaking the truth about taking estradiol and progesterone leading to production of that in the body. Does it actually cause everything but the bleeding? How can it? What is the progesterone doing if he's taking the same amount every day? How does that create a cycle.
Gender assigned at birth, oh lawd...

Does it actually cause everything but the bleeding? How can it?

It can't, Shriek. It's a fantasy. Think about it: how could a man feel period pains or get cramps in tissue he simply doesn't have? The hormones given to men who identify as women don't actually create a menstrual cycle. They can't. It's all psychosomatic.

I know this dont I?!
Have you read whata posted about the body's production of e1 & 2 that affects the abdominal wall. I mean clearly theres no actual uterus etc, but can it induce the other feelings of sickness and cramps in abdo wall?
I know I certainly recognise those feelings but I thought that was relative to the congestion of the area with blood and hormones. Having a standard dosage daily, will not create a 'cycle' of anything as such will it? Just trying to get h heading around the 'science' being proposed here.

The science is side effects of a healthy male being given female hormones. Much like other medication gives you abdominal pain or diarrhoea

Ah. God this is so sad.

I know I've already commented on this, but this post has sparked a lot of conversations between my friends and I today, and quite frankly this bullshit has been getting more ridiculous as each day passes. Even though all my friends had differing views on certain aspects of this ludicris and in my opinion dangerous fad sweeping our nation, no one could disagree with the fact that if you are female, you do not have a penis.

In regards to the lady boy angle that I've just read, lots of people dress in drag its a bonafide fetish. Just because you're wearing a dress and you've got boob implants and you look a bit femanine does not alter the fact that the dick swinging under that skirt is all natural and functional. This does not a lady penis make. It's literally a pretty dude in a dress.

I feel so sorry about the confusion that this is going to cause our younger generation. Through work i have seen this first hand. Woman has 2 daughters. Loudly announces her youngest (8) identidies as male and wants to be called xxx whilst making appointments for said children. Fast forward to the appointments, woman walks in with 2 girls. 8 year old has long hair, favourite colour is pink, likes arts and crafts, but does not like to wear dresses. Mum is trying to get hormone suppressants for said 8 year old. It turned my stomach. The kid is a tomboy, not convinced she should be a boy.

For shits and giggles I identified as a 13 year old Chinese piano prodigy with a speech impediment today whilst at the pub.

Despite my protests that I was identifying as underage and unaccompanied by a parent and therefore should not be served an alcoholic beverage, the bar staff took one look at me and told me to "fuck off you twat'.

I am traumatised by this encounter. I wonder who I should go and cry to about how this has affected my psyche. If I kick up enough fuss about it, do you think i could force people to see me for who I truly feel that I am today? I have been CLEARLY discriminated against and other pepple have deliberately chosen to not see me as who I truly identify as.

This has devastated me, and has given me anxiety. I mean, I know i look like a perfectly normal white woman in her 20s with no special talents or a speech impediment, but i TOLD them who i truly am, and they IGNORED ME. They have clearly crossed a line and now I've had to go to my safe space because I feel violated.

Like is this really where we are headed? Where does it stop? Are people now going to be allowed to identify as inanimate objects, yet still claim benefits and receive housing as they technically cannot work because they are a plant pot or whatever? If you identify as something other than human, do human rights even apply?

I will bet my last pound that as soon as the 'plant pot' realises that they no longer have the rights that they are used to, as they no longer are human and are literally left to rot by the government because no one has an obligation to house and feed a plant pot they will change their tune pretty fucking quickly.

YANBU OP

I ventured a 'worried about safeguarding' conversation with a social worker friend the other day (I'm a teacher) and she'd already had the conversation every day of her life at work, it was a relief that people who actually work in safeguarding are aware of what's happening. We were basically talking in code, though, like A Handmaid's Tale.

I'm also glad this thread isn't on FWR because it means that everyone who's blocked FWR because they don't like/don't want to see the truth can see it popping up in Active all day long.

I find this a worrying and scary on so many levels. Not least because when I was 9 to about 13, I was what was called, a ‘tomboy’. I was also emotionally unsettled due to my parents divorcing. I sought peer attention; I once pretended to have magical powers. I know it sounds ridiculous now, but I got friends to believe me based on a chance change in weather immediately following a ‘spell’.

I would have almost certainly said I was a boy for attention. I’m not saying that that is what children and teens are doing necessarily but I am saying that I would have been suggesting hormones myself
and also would have been easily led. I didn’t want to be a boy at all and I’m thankful this was not something trending then.

It is worrying, and we have to safeguard children from this nonsense. I have heard of transwomen being invited into nurseries and schools by brainwashed headteachers to peddle their messages to young children, taking the adult arena to young children who do not yet have the skills to process what they are saying and understand it. Geese it is hard for adults to, let alone impressionable young children.

I hate that when there are similar threads like this on AIBU discussing the same thing, there is an eyeroll and people say, oh no, not another thread. Yes another thread, keep it in the public arena, keep talking abut it and discussing it. Do not keep it limited to a small subsection. I believe that the Fairplay for Women came about partly due to these concerns and discussion on Mumsnet. Threads are easily picked up by the media and transported into the public arena for all to see, including the decision makers.

On that first link, it was at the point where the transwoman said that she had known from the age of 4 she was a woman but couldn’t tell her parents because they were conservative religious fundamentalists. Ah, yes, well that explains it. Can’t think they woukd be happy with a boy that didn’t conform to their strict gender stereotypes.
I am quite happy to treat someone like her with dysmorphia for complex psychological reasons as a woman. It is respect for her choices. But it is treating her AS a woman. The reality however much unwanted is that she is a transwoman and was born a man.

Self Id, with emphasis on the ‘feeling’ no sense of presenting as a woman (whatever that means) opens up a totally different scenario. “Women can have penises”. They can also have beards. They can to all intents and purposes look just like a man, but because they SAY they FEEL like a woman, that is to be enough. Not even that they FEEL like a woman, but that they SAY they feel like a woman.

What it comes down to is, if I am changing in the communal changing room at my gym and there is a person next to me who has a man’s body, penis, testicles, how am I to know whether they are
trans and not looking at my body,
trans and looking at my body,
trans and a predator,
not trans, and a predator making use of the whole Id thing.
WHATEVER the scenario, I would feel very uncomfortable, move and not want to go there again at that time.

If I had been seriously sexually assaulted (most women have been sexually assaulted), or the victim of rape or domestic violence I could feel frightened and distressed to think I could not feel safe in what should be an all female environment.

Am I unreasonable for feeling like this?
What should I do?
Am I transphobic for feeling like this?