to be so angry at this..Sick bastards burn effigy of Grenfell Tower for Bonfire Night.

[HelenaDove]

Im absolutely disgusted at this and it shows how far the stigma against social housing tenants has gone.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-effigy-video_uk_5be05c4be4b01ffb1d04873b?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

*what do people have to DO to be considered racist

@Gizmo79

Having an English flag on show does not mean it is racist.
How dare English nationals show their own nationality?

Oh, and by the way, no I am not English, but I refuse to bow down to the PC bizarreness which makes English and British people embarrassed of flying their flag.

Ah, Gizmo, didn't take long for your mask to slip did it?

Will try once more in case it sinks in.

Flying the England flag during Harry and Megan's wedding? Perfectly fine.

Flying the England flag whilst burning an effigy of a tragedy where a hundred plus died where all but one of the images are of brown people and making references to women in hijab? Definitely racist.

@Gizmo79 Consider the context here before spouting off.

Disgusting, vile and sickening behaviour, but was it a crime? Probably not. Just because something was hateful - which is it - doesn’t make it hate crime. I personally don’t think there’s enough evidence based on this to convict as any racism is inferred not overt.... I’d rather police time was spent on violent crime tbh. They will get far more comeuppance in the coming days than a day in court would give them... especially when conviction is far from assured.

Britain first flies the british flag and they're undeniably racist as are the edl who also fly the flag but spout hatred and racism, so flying the flag means nothing but shouting out on video about Muslims and hijabs means definite racism

'Disgusting, vile, sickening, but not a crime' seems to be the new 'I'm not a racist, but...'

Flying the England flag whilst burning an effigy of a tragedy where a hundred plus died where all but one of the images are of brown people and making references to women in hijab? Definitely racist.

Exactly.

I wonder if they can be done for incitement to racial hatred?

WTAF? So fucked up.

Wow, this thread has really brought up how vile and nasty some people have become.

Bastards!!! I hope someone tells the police who those fuckers are!

'Disgusting, vile, sickening, but not a crime' seems to be the new 'I'm not a racist, but...'

So you think I’m racist because I recognise the legality isn’t the same morality?...
And because I realise that just because something is wrong - very wrong even as this is - it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a crime.

I think the people who did this are almost certainly racist, and i abhor their actions and think they’re despicable, and that they get sacked and pilloried by their communities.... But all this apparently makes ME a racist!?! .

Can’t you just accept that because people might disagree with you on some things, they’re not therefore the enemy!

I can't believe this . I don't know why I clicked on it I wish I hadn't for some reason was expecting some idiot teenagers who of course I would have been disgusted at and thought they should still know better but I don't know there is just something eerily even more sick about what looks to be a group of actual grown / Middle Aged adults doing this . England flag "proudly " on show as well I see .

I'm not one to be overly dramatic at stuff i see online but my blood is honestly fucking boiling . Absolute scum

If it's a serious offence - outraging public decency - for a drunk to pee on a war monument, surely it must be considered equally offensive to openly celebrate the deaths of so many men, women and children killed in a horrific fire.

Ghastly people - lets hope they are identified soon.

@Antigon - 'Disgusting, vile, sickening, but not a crime' seems to be the new 'I'm not a racist, but...'

That's a rather odd statement. Just because something is disgusting, vile and sickening doesn't mean it's a crime. In order for it to be a crime, a law must be broken.

You may feel it should be a crime but, again, that doesn't make it a crime, unless a law has been broken.

Given no one ever gets prosecuted in Northern Ireland when effigies of the Pope or Martin McGuinness or similar are burnt, I suspect that burning an effigy, regardless of whether the motivation is racism, religious bigotry or hatred of people in social housing, is not a crime. The fires in NI take place on public land, rather than private gardens. If that is not a crime then doing the same in a private garden in very unlikely to be a crime.

I think the people who did this are absolute scum. I think they deserve to be ostracised and reviled for their actions. However, unless they have broken a law that is on the statute books, they cannot be prosecuted. Perhaps burning of effigies should be outlawed but I would be concerned about where that would lead in terms of freedom of speech.

nazir afzal
‏Verified account @nazirafzal
4h4 hours ago

As disgusted as I am by bonfire of an effigy of Grenfell Tower, I recall how a bonfire of Gypsy Caravan was not prosecuted for incitement

The hate crime law is complex & usually requires offended person to be present

Something that’s grossly offensive is not always an offence
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nazir afzal
‏Verified account @nazirafzal
7h7 hours ago

To set fire to a card version of Grenfell Tower for Bonfire Night & mock the Muslims who died in particular deserves not only contempt but the full force of the law @metpoliceuk

Yes it was a racially motivated attack imo.

But people need to bore off with this shit that people who fly the England flag are racist!

Sod that.

I shall fly mine til the cows come home.

Wales, Scotland, and every other country flies their flag with pride and is never scolded for it or accused of racism. So anyone who accuses people of flying the England flag of being racist is a disingenuous pillock!

To set fire to a card version of Grenfell Tower for Bonfire Night & mock the Muslims who died in particular deserves not only contempt but the full force of the law @metpoliceuk**

Of course it does. But if no law has been broken then the full force of the law will not result in a prosecution.

Those reading who may not consider this racist- when Anjum Chowdharys followers burnt poppies, what was your opinion then? Let's be consistent.

I saw some of the video earlier on on snapchat without realizing what it was. One person can be heard saying "wheres the ninja?" before the camera focuses on a woman in niqab. Now how can that not be considered racist?

I doubt the fuckers in the video will be prosecuted but they need to be named and shamed on social media. Someone must recognise someone from the video stills. At the very least their lives need to be made a misery.

Does anybody have a link to the video stills please?

Disgraceful, I'm totally shocked and saddened. How anyone can say it isn't a hate crime is beyond me. No, there's no such thing as a hate crime against social tenants, but the presence of an English flag does suggest some racist intent, or Islamophobia.

Whether it's a crime or not, it's despicable and we should all condemn it in the strongest possible terms.

@theymademejoin Considering hes the one who prosecuted the Rotherham abusers i would think he knows what hes talking about.

@doubleshotespresso. On the fb page Grenfell News and Action.

im not good at screenshots.

Lizzie48 I agree, the video content and commentary coupled with the way the camera panned up to the flag could lead you to no other conclusion. This has actually made me physically ill, I am so disgusted and despairing of the world right now.

HelenaDove thank-you so much

no worries You might have to scroll down a bit as (not surprisingly) a lot of stuff is being shared on there after today.