to be so angry at this..Sick bastards burn effigy of Grenfell Tower for Bonfire Night.

[HelenaDove]

Im absolutely disgusted at this and it shows how far the stigma against social housing tenants has gone.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/grenfell-tower-effigy-video_uk_5be05c4be4b01ffb1d04873b?ncid=other_twitter_cooo9wqtham&utm_campaign=share_twitter

I'm ashamed to be British.

Get a sodding grip.

Even if they can't be prosecuted for a particular crime, their identities will soon be out there and their lives will be ruined.

Will they be ruined though? My experience of these type of people is they are surrounded by people who think like they do. If they lose a job, those people will help them get another one etc.

No it blow over and be forgotten in fortnight.

I expect im in the minority, but I’m not comfortable with people being arrested because they are unfunny, insensitive, disrespectful twats

I agree that saying you are ashamed to be British, however, is all sorts of ridiculous.

If they lose a job, those people will help them get another one etc.

So getting hounded out of their existing job is not enough, you would prefer it if they were unemployed for the foreseeable future`

you would prefer it if they were unemployed for the foreseeable future

Yes.

Yes.

A remarkably short sighted solution.

I agree with you @AlecTrevelyan006 - I think what they did was abhorrent & should be condemned, but not actually criminal. Thought police at work & I'm not ok with that.

Well their names, faces and even a photo of their front door is on the Metro website.
Public humiliation indeed.

Not so sure a picture of the house should be on the Metro though

@ProfessorMoody I certainly hope they lose their jobs. However I really dont like the thought of them living on benefits for ever either. Not sure what a good compromise would be though.

Not so long ago the response to such an utterly tasteless and offensive act would have been universal condemnation and ostracisation. Having family, friends, neighbours and work colleagues think the offender was a total twat was usually a pretty effective way of dealing with a grievous social offence, for anyone who wasn't actually a sociopath.

But there's a difference between being beyond the pale and committing a criminal act. The remedy is a sincere public apology, not a criminal record.

This was a hate crime and if you can't acknowledge that then you are a dog whistle racist.

And this is exactly why people aren't afraid of being labeled it anymore, because morons are happy to ascribe it to anyone that doesn't agree with them and the word has lost so much of its meaning

Shame on you

This was a hate crime and if you can't acknowledge that then you are a dog whistle racist.

When I read stuff like this, I really think there needs to be a minimum IQ requirement before people are allowed on the internet.

@NRP

They've been arrested under Section 4a of the public order act which is quite specific in its remit. Clearly the police feels it falls under this remit because it was videoed and the video was published - placing it in the public domain.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/4A

YY @NRPDad

I suspect those reactions would have been different had they burned an effigy of the Twin Towers re. 9/11

www.gspellchecker.com/2018/11/the-grenfell-effigy-joke-video-is-sick-so-is-a-society-that-arrests-people-for-it/

It was a really gross, shocking thing to do. But arresting people sets up a dangerous precedent. Do we want to see people being arrested for burning the effigy of a politician during a demonstration, for example? Or doing so on their own private bonfire? You can't write laws that are based on "we are going to protect some categories of people but not others." Slippery slope, people.

Thanks for that OYBK it's very informative

The remedy is a sincere public apology not a criminal record. No. Some things just can't be apologised for and people need to be reprimanded. As a society we need to send a clear message that this won't be tolerated.

Oh we are already on a slippery slope, Trump, Brexit, the rise of the far right in general, this is a symptom.
I put it in the same category as the Sandy Hook massacre conspiracy theorist, to take something so awful, probably the biggest national tragedy in recent years and mock the victims, who are already at a disadvantage due to living through it, it's not a joke, it's not funny, it's repulsive and vile behaviour and it should not go unpunished. Why do we have to keep putting up with this awful bullying of minority's under the guise of free speech?

I completely agree that burning an effigy of the Grenfell tower (with people, including a baby, carefully drawn on it -what the fuck) is twisted and sick, disturbing and deeply offensive. But (prepares to be flamed) in a week where the media has been full of the cuts in funding to policing, the fact that there have been 4 stabbings in South London in almost as many days with no real solution currently in sight, we are being repeatedly told that police have to prioritize where to focus their resources now; ie burglaries are unlikely to be attended any more - no I don't think putting a cardboard box on a bonfire is what the police should be focusing on. Yes these people are disgusting but we have always had foul, offensive elements in our society. Whilst I find these people and their actions repulsive no I do not think this case is where police should be chanelling resources.

To make another point (and whilst this does not excuse this repulsive act)British Bonfire Night celebrations originate from a similar place of bad taste. A Guy is an effigy of a person, to be burnt in the flames, to symbolize Guy Fawkes burning,and the explosion he set in the Houses of Parliament. Even today, if I built an effigy of Simon Cowell, or Donald Trump, or Piers Morgan, and burnt it on a bonfire on Bonfire night I would do so to claps and cheers. Whilst offensively done, the burning of an effigy of Grenfell Tower is only an extension of that poor level of taste.

I finally watched the despicable video and I'm sure I can hear a female voice. I wonder if that's what
Great orb meant

Apparently the young lad involved works for Ralph Lauren.