Grown men pretending to be children

[Happypie]

AIBU to be very worried that safeguarding has broken down in England. I have worked in several schools in London where some of the newly arrived “children” were grown men. We have complained to social services and they admitted that the pupils were blatantly men but there was nothing they could do.
These men are being put into classes and foster homes with actual children.
We do not allow adults without DBS checks to have unfettered access to children unless they pretend to be children.
Head teachers hands are also tied. The only way to change things seems to be through parent complaints like in the story below. This is not safeguarding. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-suffolk-46070239

An adult of 30 masquerading as a child in. Mathematics class is pretty problematic, too.

...in a Mathematics class

Why is it only males who are coming over.
I really don’t think it is, and I expect it is reflected in the nature of the disturbance and the nature of the journey

My family all made that trip. Leaving a country, avoiding detection because if you were caught you would be killed or staying at home and waiting to be killed

The trip might be difficult but if you are going to call yourself a refugee then you are supposed to be leaving a country where it is too dangerous to stay. Yet the women predominantly don’t make the journey. There men folk leave them behind.

Is that because they don’t care or it really isn’t that bad?

I dispute that you can’t tell who looks older and who looks younger.

I have a teenage Ds and I have seen enough teenage boys to be able to distinguish between a teenager and a 20 year old. Even those that have come here as a refugees

...they’d FARE

If course people can tell the difference between a mid-teen and a 30 year old! Don’t be so silly.

Of...

Children have a right to be protected in their classrooms and not have odd adults faking it in their midst.
The only adults who have the right to be in a classroom on a regular basis - in a SCHOOL - are teachers and support staff. They will all have full Dusclosure. Random adults will not.

Disclosure

It is a right.

Schools are in loco parentis. They have a legal responsibility for the children in their charge.

Does that shock you zzzzz?

It shouldn’t. It’s very basic. Any adult coming into contact with children in a school setting has a full dbs and background checks. There are good reasons for this.

The realistic position is we are going to get refugees and economic migrants.

At the moment we have little educational provision for these groups of people.

While these migrants are waiting for decisions to be made they are not allowed to work.

If as a country we funded appropriate education we would solve this issue overnight. These people do not want to be in schools alongside children.

Once their asylum applications have been processed they can either remain in education in the U.K. to the long term benefit of the U.K. or they can be returned to their home countries better educated to the long term benefit and prosperity of the home country. As the home countries prosper we get less economic migrants.

Providing education would cost the country money but one way or another it would benefit us in the long run.

I don’t think the tests are unethical but we’re living in a time when it’s more important to care about a minority of people’s feelings rather than the safety of the majority

No. We protect the safety of the majority. Not saying disregard feelings but safety comes first.

In a democracy it is vital minority rights are protected. Once we start compromising on minority rights it is a short jump to rounding people up and putting them in detention centres...

Oh we do that already don't we?

Puzzledandpissedoff puts it very well. Zzzz your general view seems to be we should believe refugees at any cost, no matter if children are hurt.

Zzz your point about being left alone makes no sense. If a grown man is registered as a student he will have plenty of opportunities to be alone with children.