To think the new Dr Who is totally shite

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The first female doctor - such an opportunity yet it’s been wasted - she’s crap.

Completely overacted in every single episode.

@shearwater

Maybe it's the Sunday night slot rather than Saturday as well

Blobby10
I quite like JW's version of the Doctor.

but she doesn't seem to have become the doctor yet.

Didn't like Capaldi.

they did the same thing with him in that it took almost an entire series for him to become the character, and even then they seem to have given him lengthy stage monologues as almost to say that he is a "real" stage actor

Its interesting that in the recent episode the character who was an actual doctor was more like Doctor Who than JW. Shame he was killed off so quick.

David Tennant had terrible scripts. Matt Smith played the character really well and had great companions, but had terrible scripts (just unwatchable by the end). I didn’t even watch Peter Capaldi because the storylines sounded so ridiculous.

I feel sorry for Jodie Whittaker. I wanted to like her, but again it’s been ruined by awful clunky plot devices and hectoring scripts.

Surely they can find somebody who can write decent storylines that make sense instead of painting themselves into a corner of mild peril and then having to handwave some bollocksy magical solution to do with the ineffable human spirit?

They all end up the same. Oh, the villains are going to wipe out the Earth/time itself. There’s no way out. Except a mother’s love (or plucky Britishness, or the hitherto unknown vestigial powers of the human appendix) it’s more powerful than a nuclear bomb.

Agree walkingDeadFangirl the real Doctor in that episode had real presence was very impressive. Proper job acting 😊

Hmm agree too much breathless drama workshop style acting - I don't have a problem with a female doc, just could do with a bit more intelligent scripting and weird stuff and less emo 'humans are amazing' earth based stuff :P Love the old docs - recent bunch been fine too apart from aforementioned too much human are great emo sometimes - wasn't super keen on Matt Smith series (he was great in Party Animals tho)... I will keep trying to see positives...

I turned it off .

I also agree with the entirety of WalkingDeadFanGirls first post on here.

Also tonight's episode all about "it doesn't matter what sort of father you are, just be there" That message was rammed down our throats too

Yes- I was thinking it kind of does matter.

He couldn't be more wooden than if he was actually made out of wood! He has one expression, that of a perplexed spaniel?

Which is one more expression than Yazz- she is permanently vacant.

tied into Ryan’s angst about his dad that I just don’t care about

Ryan's "have I told you about my dad?" is this series' version of Bill's "have I told you I'm a lesbian?"

Honestly if it didn't have the title tune(messed upa bit too often for me)you wouldn't really know it was Dr Who.
So we have Indian partition this week where we will have a history lesson and lots of PC speeches.
What is in store after that?Please can we have our time lord back.

It's like they've deliberately made it shit so the female doctor fails. There doesn't seem to be any strength or depth

I agree. JW is making the most of very poor materials but there's a limit to what she can do. Oh and her outfit is awful.

I loved capaldi in the last series when he finally got a decent companion who could act.

This series is really boring. Like a historical drama. And next week the partition of India , great education but just not fun.

I'm enjoying it, but it is to other sci-if/fantasy TV shows what a 'young adult' is to a standard one. That is intentional - it is aimed at older children and teens at least as much as adults.

... 'Young adult' NOVEL
Ffs that was the key word in the whole post, sorry!

Which is one more expression than Yazz- she is permanently vacant.

So, she also has one expression.

I’m not enjoying it either. I miss the humour. There were so many funny bits before, Christopher Eccleston fighting that arm through the kitchen hatch 😂. Blink is my favourite episode ever, and that has funny bits too as well as making me cry. Characters in the new version are two dimensional and I don’t care about them at all. I don’t mind the new doctors costume but the storylines are dull are humourless.

I did think they were trying to get a reason to cancel it.

Firstly they went for a much older Dr. But Peter Capaldi is a damn good actor and the scripts were fine.

They then decide to move the timings about.
But people still watched it.

Now they have filled the screen with ex soap actors and given it a dreadful preachy script and aimed at 5 year olds.

I think that is what is finally killing it off.

I wonder how the writer of something like Broadchurch can actually think what he is writing is good.

I am wondering if CC has ever watched any of the new Dr Who’s or he is basing his interpretation on the 1970s version

The acting, script, and set look more 1970s Crossroads than 2018 modern cult sci fi series

Chibnall has written several episodes of Dr Who before this series and was the head writer for Torchwood, so he can’t blame ignorance.

DH and I had a huge talk about this and why it is so poor.

Every new male doctor has a new personality.
The problem with JW is that her personality is female. That’s it. She is Ms Pac-Man or the pink Power Ranger.
It all goes back to seeing man as the default and women as just an aberration of men.
No need to write a personality for her. Female is enough.

"Every new male doctor has a new personality.
The problem with JW is that her personality is female."

I absolutely agree. Every doctor from the new run has been a different facet - ecclestone was the traumatised soldier, tennant was the caring saviour, smith was childlike wonder, capaldi was the barely-tolerant grandfather. Whittaker just seems....manic? Frantic? Baffled? "Slightly overwhelmed playgroup TA"?

I think it’s harsh to say she’s got no personality. I think JW and the script are giving 13 a personality (chirpy, easily impressed, a bit like a Northern combination of Tennant and Smith). It’s just that it’s difficult to see below the cultural layers of Smurfette.

I was listening to a female standup recently talking about lineups and panel shows, and how however hard they try to come on and sell their pre-chosen persona as “the flirty one, the posh one, the baffled one, the angry one” there’s a huge layer of THE FEMALE ONE!!! standing in their way.

There was a hint at some backstory to come in episode 2, wasn't there - I've forgotten the details so I've googled and will quote a couple of bits from a review:

... a race of mind-reading space handkerchiefs referred to as the “Remnants”.
And there is a teasing reference, by the Remnants, to the Doctor as “the timeless child”. Is this an over-arching storyline we see before us?
...sentient strips of cloth that beam inside the heads of their victims and gorge on the fear (the Remnants represent the ultimate weapon created by the kidnapped scientists).

The Dr was fearful and self-doubting after that encounter... hm, not sure this is looking better than just being 'female'. And lonely/needy ... really not wanting to leave alone, jumping at the invitation to tea.

I do keep coming back to the tea thing, even though its such a small thing. Imagine any of the others in that situation, you'd get an enthusiastic "oh great, tea! I love tea! Come on then, lets go!" whereas she did a "oooohh, I guess I'll just stay here then. On my own. Being sad and lonely on my own......" until she wrenched a pity invite out of them.

VisitorsEntrance I think you and your DH have got the nail in the head with that reasoning. It all falls into place when you think about it like that.

She can do no wrong in my eyes.
I'm actually watching and enjoying, Dr Who for the first time in decades.
Although, why they can't just go back a bit and save the grandma I don't know!????

I began watching Dr Who towards the end of the first Doctor's tenure. I have watched every episode since then, apart from yeti ones ( my mum thought they were too frightening for me) And as many earlier ones as I can find. I loved Christopher Ecclestone, grew to like David Tennant, thought Matt Smith was brilliant. Couldn't manage to like Capaldi and definitely not impressed with JW. So much so, that although I said I'd seen every episode since I first started watching, that's not quite true. I've seen every episode up to and including the first JW episode. The more recent o es are still sitting on my planner, unviewed and probably destined to be deleted without watching.
What a shame.