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All people are created equal—that is, unless they’re fat

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phlirty · 30/10/2018 17:10

www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/real-healing/201308/i-see-fat-people

Research reveals that weight discrimination is hurled at people from all directions:

More than half of doctors described their overweight patients as ugly, awkward and non-compliant with treatment.

Nearly one-quarter of nurses admitted to feeling repulsed by their obese patients.

Nearly 30 percent of teachers said that becoming obese was "the worst thing that can happen to someone."

Defendants in lawsuits who are overweight are more likely to get slapped with a guilty verdict.

More than 70 percent of obese people reported being ridiculed about their weight by a family member.

Fifty-two percent of obese individuals believe they’ve been discriminated against when seeking employment or a promotion.

Children as young as 4 are reluctant to make friends with an overweight child.

I've been obese after being a very slim child. Now I'm normal BMI. It's a struggle though. I don't know what the answer to all this is. I feel sorry for the kids though. They are growing up in an environment where it is much easier to put on weight than lose it. Then have to put up with this. Mixed messages. Wasn't the same problem when I was a kid.

OP posts:
SharpLily · 31/10/2018 10:51

@Suttree I'm not sure this thread is the place for you as you're clearly one of the fat discriminators it's talking about.

You lost lots of weight. Well done, you're an amazing person, very clever and those that can't do the same are shit, obviously. How lucky we all are to have you here to tell us that Hmm.

user23334444 · 31/10/2018 10:53

I think Katie Hopkins is on this thread!!!!!

Suttree · 31/10/2018 10:58

I'm not sure this thread is the place for you as you're clearly one of the fat discriminators it's talking about it's a public forum tho

HairyStorm · 31/10/2018 11:00

If being realistic about my circumstances, and doing what I can to improve what's under my control while acknowledging some things are not under my control, means I'm determined to remain a victim - what on earth would 'not remaining a victim' look like? Totally burying my head in the sand and pretending everything's all sunshine and roses? No thanks.

Suttree · 31/10/2018 11:06

What would you do if out of work benefits suddenly disappeared?

SilentIsla · 31/10/2018 11:08

If someone loses a great deal of weight (as in several stone) even sensibly and at a slow pace, surely they are then left in an equally difficult situation, that being having loose skin.

I have read that some people who are left with loose skin think that being obese was preferable.

I presume younger people are in a better position because the skin has more elasticity.

chocolatecoveredraisons · 31/10/2018 11:10

Hairy storm - my above comment did state 'bar medical issues' because it is a lifestyle choice. I lost 3 stone by changing my attitude to food and my lifestyle choices. I ate more healthily and moved more and stopped using food as a comfort.

Ninoo25 · 31/10/2018 11:24

I have been both slim and obese. I think when you’ve been you can really see a difference. In my experience most people are too polite to say anything, it’s more in the way they act around you - after becoming much bigger people seemed to not notice me, would make less eye contact and in general just not be as friendly with me. I have health problems that have not been caused by my obesity, but whenever I go to the drs around 50% of the time they basically tell me to try to lose weight and go away, when the issue I have gone in with is not related to my weight. I now actively avoid some of the GPS in our surgery because of this - I don’t particularly like going to the drs anyway, so why would I go if I’m just sent away without them sorting out the issue I have gone in about. I am obviously trying to lose weight. I’m on steroids long term and this really affects my weight. My illness also means that sometimes I am able to exercise, but when I have a flare up (very often) I am not. I am also very short, so my recommended daily calorie intake is quite low, which means I find it difficult to maintain eating so little. It makes losing weight very hard!
It is horrible to go from being a normal member of society, to being ignored and treated like you are stupid, just because of your size.

HairyStorm · 31/10/2018 11:45

Suttree I'd continue looking for work and probably have to prostitute myself to pay the rent. What's your point?

I came off the meds and my BMI's 27 now (and it'd probably be lower if not for the loose skin) but I still didn't choose the life events that brought me to this point.

Suttree · 31/10/2018 12:10

@HairyStorm - employment is at an all time high. Are you trying hard enough?

WiddlinDiddlin · 31/10/2018 12:25

What I particularly love in these discussions is the magical abilities those saying ...'the majority of fatties haven't got a medical condition they are just greedy fuckpigs'... have to see and IMMEDIATELY determine which of us is just a greedy fuckpig and which of us has a medical condition.

If you could just take yourselves and your miraculous skills to the local hospitals and GPs, you could then put that to great use weeding out the greedy fuckpigs from the medical conditions and we can then shoo all the greedy fuckpigs into a big field, lure them in with a lump of cake obviously... and shoot them all.

That will solve the problem.

The truth is there are lots of reasons why someone might be overweight and actually VERY FEW of those people who are very fat, obese, morbidly obese, are actually so because they spend all day troughing down piles of cakes, burgers, pies and fizzy pop. #(and if they DID those people almost certainly have a medical condition!!)

Desecratedcoconut · 31/10/2018 12:25

Don't toy with poster's distress suttree, it makes you look like a cunt.

Suttree · 31/10/2018 12:54

The truth is there are lots of reasons why someone might be overweight and actually VERY FEW of those people who are very fat, obese, morbidly obese, are actually so because they spend all day troughing down piles of cakes, burgers, pies and fizzy pop can you provide a citation for that?

HairyStorm · 31/10/2018 12:57

Thanks desecrated, I'm not actually distressed right now though. It's just a beautiful illustration of what the thread's about, isn't it? A whole slew of issues and a life that's been pretty well trashed due to sustained childhood sexual trauma - yet still someone thinks those issues are all my fault and just a lifestyle choice.

No one's fat because they actively want to be.

smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 31/10/2018 13:00

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manicinsomniac · 31/10/2018 13:11

The reason this topic is so difficult and emotive is that all of us, from the super morbidly obese with eating disorders, to the 'eat less move more is all it takes' fat discriminators, have absorbed a lifetime of societal attitudes, propaganda and cultural references that tell us that thin = good and fat = bad.

A small number of people seem to be able to shrug free from that and genuinely appreciate that physical size is irrelevant to beauty, worth, intelligence and personality.

I think most people are fully aware that weight and food are hugely complex issues and are tied in emotions and psychological issues rather than just being physical choices. We know that weight issues could happen to any of us, we know it's not something someone should be blamed for and we know how hard it is to fix once it's a problem.

But I think the vast majority of us still find ourselves trapped into believing the rhetoric to a greater or lesser degree.

Lots of people - 'I'd hate to be fat, I'm so glad I'm not fat. I love my friends and family who are fat and it's totally rude or wrong to say anything negative to fat people. There's loads of reasons why people get fat but I'd never let it happen to me. I'm not going to show it but I do think that I must be doing something right and they're doing something wrong.'

Lots of people - 'I hate being fat. It's really affecting how I think about myself. I'm sure I'd be so much prettier and happier if I was thinner. More people would like me. I don't think bad things about other people who are fat. They'd be the same people whatever they weighed. But I'm different. I'd definitely be a better person if I was thinner.'

Some people - 'Fat people are weak willed and a bit stupid, really. How hard is it to just eat less. They don't have any willpower which probably means they're just weaker people in general. I think less of someone who's fat.'

Some people - 'It is the most important thing in the world for me to be thin. I put all my self worth into my size. If I am not thin I look so ugly. I can't stand the feel of my body when it's bigger. I can't cope with looking at myself. I don't really think about other people much but I know that not being thin is not an option for me.'

Some people - 'If I am the thinnest in a social group I feel better about myself.'

Some people - 'If I am the biggest in a social group I feel ashamed and think less of myself.'

Although all those viewpoints are damaging, shallow, unpleasant or whatever, I don't know to what extent we can be blamed for holding them. The link between weight and worth is so ingrained in our culture that it's very hard to shake free from. We are exposed to it from being tiny.

I can remember playing a doll's game with a friend when we were around 6. We decided that when we grew up we were going to look like barbies because nobody likes fat people. I don't know where I got that attitude - I had a morbidly obese, confident and popular mother. But I believed it to be true.

A few years later my sister and I had 'children' (dolls) and posted lists of rules on their 'bedroom walls' (cupboards). First rule on my list: 'don't get fat.'

A few years after that I was anorexic and being fat has been one of my biggest fears ever since. I cannot even begin to articulate why a few inches of flesh here and there can be the difference between ok or not, happy or not, worthwhile or not. But it's a mindset I've been trapped in forever. And I think it's very difficult not to transfer it to other people, even though I know logically I'm the ridiculous, stupid one. I look at very overweight individuals and my first thought is, 'I'd hate to look like that.' I watch people going past me and I notice their weight - never their face or their clothes or their mood - just their weight. It disgusts me that I can put so much emphasis on something so unimportant but I do. I desperately hope I never show it. But I don't know for sure.

KittyVonCatsington · 31/10/2018 13:31

This thread highlights the point that you can't and shouldn't believe everything you read on the Internet.

This article is based on a study from 15 years ago and produces dubious statistics (all conveniently a rounded number such as, 30% or exactly a quarter etc.) where we don't know what people were asked and how many people were asked (30% of 5 teachers is just 1 teacher, for example, in the whole of America).

This dubious article and opening post detracts from the real issue/debate of obesity in UK society and how obesity is viewed because it is too easy to focus on "horrible doctors/nurses/teachers" and not look at the wider picture.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 31/10/2018 13:36

WiddlinDiddlin

The truth is there are lots of reasons why someone might be overweight and actually VERY FEW of those people who are very fat, obese, morbidly obese, are actually so because they spend all day troughing down piles of cakes, burgers, pies and fizzy pop.

I'm curious, 64% of adults in the UK are classed as being overweight or obese, or put another way that’s 29,508,608 people. Are you seriously implying that the majority of those nearly 30 million people have a health condition that makes weight control difficult?

I don't need magic abilities to see that all the overweight people around me who I actually know, be it work colleagues, old school mates and family members seem to have all made a choice over the years, a choice to drink too much beer/wine, a choice to eat too much processed high calorie low nutritional value food, a choice to do minimal physical activity. The correlation between these lifestyle choices and their weight is almost uncanny.

For a minority of unlucky sods they have conditions, physical or psychological that make weight control exceptionally difficult, what excuse does everyone else have?

Suttree · 31/10/2018 13:42

I'm curious, 64% of adults in the UK are classed as being overweight or obese, or put another way that’s 29,508,608 people. Are you seriously implying that the majority of those nearly 30 million people have a health condition that makes weight control difficult? The mumsnet claimant union don't like facts.

SilentIsla · 31/10/2018 13:52

Obesity is being referred to as an epidemic in modern times and it is pointless to refute the facts. Why were most people NOT obese in the past, even the relatively recent past?

Eating more has got to be the real reason.

HairyStorm · 31/10/2018 14:20

what excuse does everyone else have?

It's not a question of needing excuses.

A lot of people, in the absence of disposable mental or physical issues, eat too much even knowing it's harming them. There are reasons why they're unable to weight the importance of continued physical health heavily enough to decline when considering a cream bun or another glass of wine. Reasons, not excuses. The reasons need to be acknowledged - rather than the people just being deemed generally unsavoury or stupid - if the obesity epidemic is to be tackled effectively.

HairyStorm · 31/10/2018 14:21

Oh ffs autocorrect. Diagnosable! Not disposable!

goingonabearhunt1 · 31/10/2018 14:23

You only have to eat a little too much each day over a long time for it to creep up gradually and most women don't need 2000kcal a day if they are short/more sedentary etc.

Racecardriver · 31/10/2018 14:29

Well no one is created fat, not really the best phrasing. But it is a well known prejudice. People associate being overweight with personality flaws such as laziness or a lack of self control and asp tend to view obese or overweight or rooks as liabilities, health problem timebombs essentially. I suppose the problem is that forevery fat person that doesn’t fit this stereotype there will be one who does and reinforces the belief that overweight people are xyz.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 31/10/2018 14:53

People associate being overweight with personality flaws such as laziness or a lack of self control and asp tend to view obese or overweight or rooks as liabilities, health problem timebombs essentially.

Well in terms of work productivity and other indirect costs due to increased rates of absenteeism overweight people are going to be associated as more of a liability as numerous studies have shown this to be fact.