To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

I don't think I've upped my meat intake on low carb. I've definitely upped my fish and green veg intake though - most dinners nowadays comprise a shedload of green things (broccoli, cabbage, courgettes, cauliflower, sprouts, mostly) plus a small serving of either meat or - more likely - fish. I do eat a lot of eggs though, and rather more cheese than most people, plus some nuts. Everything is cooked from scratch - I even make my own bacon. I feel great eating this way :)

Has anyone said "eat food, not too much, mostly plants" yet? It's all you need really.

I love that quote^^. I’ve heard it before (maybe on here?) and think it’s great.

Andrew Wakefield was once on the UK medical register. Bad, biased science is bad science and appealing to authority doesn't change that.

WithaFaery me too, it's so simple. Diet doesn't need to be complicated.

What I also love is if you look at the healthiest food cultures, where residents live the longest, they are literally nothing like high fat low carb. So how can anyone take it seriously as a lifestyle choice to improve their health?

I like the Mediterranean way of eating too. I eat bread every day, but good chewy bread, sometimes homemade.
I like huge salads with Olives and feta, rice dishes with pulses and a bit of chorizo, pasta with sardines and tomato.
Red wine. A pastry sometimes.
But mainly lots of vegetables, fish when I can afford, not much meat.
I often use spicy sausage etc in dishes but just a little to flavour.
I can't remember the last time I ate a steak or bacon and eggs.
I love food too much to be skinny but I'm fit and healthy, and just as importantly happy.
There's no point eating in a way you don't enjoy-that's no life! So, you should always choose a healthy-ish diet you can realistically stick with imo.

That’s what people mean when they say ‘strip the fat out and it’ll be replaced with sugar’

I don't think that's what they mean at all. The fat from skimmed milk hasnt been replaced by anything at all.

Absolutely. When people say “strip the fat and and replace it with sugar” they’re literally talking about muller fruit corners which is ALWAYS the ONLY example given.

(And they don’t even “strip the fat out and replace with sugar” they simply add sugary compote or chocolate to a low fat yogurt!)

Well the government guidelines of low fat has made most of the population fat.

Cut refined carbs eat healthy foods don't cut good fats is what we should be eating.

But lactose has the same effect on the body - it produces insulin. It is higher in sugar however you wish to frame it, and as has been said many times on this thread, if you are in a consistently raised insulin state, you will find it very difficult to lose fat, and indeed will lay down more fat, because that is what one of insulin's functions is

I tend to agree with lazy and that’s what the diet I’m following allows for too. Minimal “bad” / refined carbs and some healthy, plant based fats.

Low fat dairy isn’t the best thing to be eating either, I agree with pp. Another reason imo to limit dairy consumption.

As for the 'meat is bad for the environment' argument, this is all based on a study done in 2009 by Dr Frank Mitloehner

It has been debunked many many times, even he admitted that it was not a valid study / comparison. After he released it.

But doesn't seem to stop people moralising about raising animals and the environment

Most experts now say to limit meat and dairy consumption. It isn’t just one study.

I don’t eat low fat versions of anything, so I have blue top milk and total full fat yogurt. I occasionally eat cheese and cream. I never eat bacon and very rarely have red meat, If i do it is a small amount in a dish to add flavour. I eat lots of olive oil, nuts and avocados and eggs.I eat bread rice and pasta. Crisps and biscuits sometimes. I eat lots of fruit and veg, I try to have at least 5 portions of veg and at least two leafy green veg portions a day. I’m slim. I alaways stop eating when I’m full and often don’t finish a meal in a restaurant despite really enjoying it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth

www.iflscience.com/environment/new-study-says-beef-10x-more-damaging-environment-chicken-pork-or-dairy-foods/

www.scientificamerican.com/article/meat-and-environment/

It is higher in sugar however you wish to frame it

Waitrose whole milk has 9.4g of sugar per 200ml serving.
Waitrose skimmed milk has 10g of sugar per 200ml serving.

0.6g extra. It's negligible in the context of a whole diet.

The problem with studies on mice, is that they are not people! The human species has very different responses to diet/drugs/environment than mice.

Many years ago there was a medical study for an anti-inflammatory drug which had been used successfully and safely in mice.

The human subjects responded terribly and nearly died. Their brains swelled, which did not happen in mice.

I plan to follow current research with regards to low carb diets, instead of a weeks study on a bunch of mice!

The fat we eat is the fat we wear is a quote by doctor Neil Bernard (I think that's his name). He did loads of intensive studies. OP YouTube "that vegan couple" and they provide loads and loads of links to studies which are properly varified and have lots of evidence to back up what they're saying.
I'm not actually vegan but do like their videos, and I like studies around food.

I'll be going to that Uni soon

Low-carb, high-fat diets could knock years off lifespan, 25-year study suggests

But new research which has followed 15,400 people since the 1980s found those with low carb diets died an average of four years earlier than those who had moderate intakes

Published in The Lancet Public Health.

www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2018/08/17/low-carb-high-fat-diets-could-knock-years-lifespan-25-year-study/

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45195474

The vast majority of the population of the world subsisted, and I'm sure still does, on a pretty low fat, high carb diet - just not much of it. Look at the classic peasant foods of the world - pease pudding and bread, borsch and kasha, dahl and rice, vegetables and cassava, vegetables and rice. A small amount of meat or fish or tofu for flavour with pulses, vegetables and whatever the local carb is.

Possibly once you are already overweight it's easier to lose weight by high fat low carb diets but you definitely don't need to eat one to not get fat in the first place.

Waitrose whole milk has 9.4g of sugar per 200ml serving.
Waitrose skimmed milk has 10g of sugar per 200ml serving.

0.6g extra. It's negligible in the context of a whole diet.

But it is still raised sugar in a product that is deemed to be 'healthier'. If you think that fat is the culprit, then yes it is healthier. If you believe that sugar is the thing to watch for, then it is not healthier. Even in those quantities.

www.livescience.com/63359-moderate-carb-diet-longevity.html

An opposing view

But I would say both these viewpoints are seriously flawed. They are self-report. How many people do you know who could accurately account for what they ate last Wednesday?

There are actually very few (none) double blind controlled studies on nutrition because they are so difficult to do, which is why they resort to mice and animals.

What we do know is that diabetes is out of control, and a high sugar / carbohydrate diet causes that (insulin)

We do know that obesity is at catastrophic levels, beginning in the 70s, when we went low fat as our dietary advice to lose weight but on the back of an explosion of fast food which gave us the worst combination of high carb and high fat

Yep agree with what you say Mooncuplanding