To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

Yes, mooncup, but it’s not only lower in fat, but also lower in calories. I know that if you’re doing LCHF / Keto, calories aren’t meant to matter, but for most people they do.

If LCHF diets aren't upping their meat intake, what are you eating? Just green vegetables and dairy? When I did it, any root vegetables were also out. The meat intake must be higher.

I'm a long-term low carber, and I don't eat any more meat than I used to. For example, if prior to starting low carbing I had a plate of, say, chicken, new potatoes, broccoli and green beans - now I'd have the same chicken (usually a chicken breast, so that hasn't increased in any way), and a bit more broccoli and green beans, but no potatoes.

It's simple, really. I'm not chowing down half a cow, washed down with a gallon of melted butter

Worrying about 0.6g of sugar is no way to live. 5g of sugar is one teaspoon! If we ate wholegrains but didnt eat cake, 0.6g of sugar in skimmed milk would make no difference at all. A low carb diet means you don't eat cakes and biscuits or pizza. A low fat and low calorie diet means you would reduce the amount of cake, biscuits and sugar that you ate. Both will help you lose weight if you stick to them. Its up to the individual to look at the evidence and decide what is the most sustainable for them. No evidence is conclusive, because that's not what science is.

But it is still raised sugar in a product that is deemed to be 'healthier'

Nowhere near the amounts you were claiming.

It's also higher in calcium.

For the same reason as the sugar.

mooncuplanding

Thank you for this - reading with interest.

I also haven’t upped meat consumption

I actually now only eat one meal a day, which does include a portion of protein but most of my plate is veg cooked with oil / cheese / butter / cream

A low fat and low calorie diet means you would reduce the amount of cake, biscuits and sugar that you ate

^ This.

I am low-fatting here, so obviously fat-loaded cake and biscuits and choc are out the window and I also drop a lot of sugar from diet by doing this. As these foods are fat AND sugar bombs, they are extra-terrible.

It's also higher in calcium.

For the same reason as the sugar.

This is something I find really common in nutrition talk. Lots of stuff about micro nutrients such as calcium, potasssium etc.

It strikes me that we’ve all been taught to concentrate on the micro nutrients by marketeers desperate to sell their shitty products with ‘some posituves’

Sugary cereal - market the iron
Crappy sugary orange juice - market the vit c

The food manufacturers want us to pay attention to one good thing in an overall shit product.

Not just a comment about this milk thing, milk is the least of our worries.

Definitely. Marketers do a thorough job in that regard

Against the trend we actually had ads for mushrooms back in Aus which were pretty good (and apples and meat)

I think what people miss about lchf diets is the satiety point.

If you can control your hunger and cravings, your calorie intake goes down naturally

Read any forum on keto / lchf and you will hear it over and over again. It’s just biology, the more carbs you eat, the less satiated you will feel and cravings will be higher

And this gets worse with age. You may be able to scoff the carbs in your 20s and 30s but many many people start to put on weight as their insulin resistance increases over time

Extra calories make you fat. It's that simple.

Fat and refinded Carbs tend to have more calories pound for pound, so are more likely to make you fat. If going low fat means you are eating more refined carbs, then not only won't you lose weight you will also upset your insulin/glucose management and open yourself up to becoming Diabetic.

Refined carbs raise your blood glucose level, which raises your insulin. Insulin will remove the excess blood glucose andturn it into fat! Worse, that fat will accumulate around your vital organs and your stomach. If you're unlucky, you'll then develop Diabetes i.e. if you have the Diabetes gene. If not, you'll still be fat.

Your body needs x calories per day. If you eat more calories than required, then the body will store the excess as fat.

It doesn't actually matter in what form the calories are eaten.

It doesn't actually matter in what form the calories are eaten

Absolutely not the case.

100 calories' worth of pasta will have a completely different effect on your body than 100 calories' worth of chicken, or 100 calories' worth of butter.

baldricks

That is what we’ve been taught to believe and there is some truth in it.

However, there is a lot of evidence that some calories make you fuller and therefore naturally cut your intake. So, there was a study done with prisoners where they basically made them eat a HFLC diet and in LARGE quantities. They tried to up theirs calories to what people can eat on a HC diet, but they literally couldn’t stomach it. They couldn’t over eat. It’s really really hard to overeat fat and protein. We overeat carbs because of the way in which insulin works.

The vast majority of the population of the world subsisted, and I'm sure still does, on a pretty low fat, high carb diet - just not much of it.

This is the nail on the head really. It's the huge excess of food which we have available to us which is to blame, not really the configuration. Obesity didn't begin because the government started to peddle "low fat" diet advice in the 70s, it started because for the first time in human history we had unlimited access to food, and "diet" advice came as a response.

And I agree with this too:

Possibly once you are already overweight it's easier to lose weight by high fat low carb diets but you definitely don't need to eat one to not get fat in the first place. What we're really talking about with diets is a strategy for how to not become / remain obese in an obesogenic environment whilst struggling against millenia of evolutionary conditioning to eat.

So basically I agree with Ontopof

At what point in the past did we eat a low fat diet?

mooncup as ontopof said, 'peasant food' has traditionally been a fairly modest amount of protein and dairy, bulked out with bread / dumplings / potatoes. My point was though, that it's the excess of food which is to blame rather than the amount fo fat or carbs.

I’m obsessed with the dietary habits of various of my ancestors 😀 the Cherokee lived mostly on corn, squash and beans with occasional venison or other meat. But mostly corn and squash and beans.

I think whatever way of eating we follow, we could be getting regular blood checks to make sure it is agreeing with our body chemistry and to check for deficiencies, sky-high cholesterol (the silent killer) and suchlike.

This rather misrepresents the study's finding, which is given in summary at the paper link as follows:

"Only increased dietary fat content was associated with elevated energy intake and adiposity. This response was associated with increased gene expression in the 5-HT receptors, and the dopamine and opioid signaling pathways in the hypothalamus. We replicated the core findings in four other mouse strains (DBA/2, BALB/c, FVB, and C3H). Mice regulate their food consumption primarily to meet an energy rather than a protein target, but this system can be over-ridden by hedonic factors linked to fat, but not sucrose, consumption." (Italics mine.)

The dietary fat caused mice, who eat to meet an energy requirement, to override their natural instincts because fat tastes so good (or, rather, it gave them an addictive high) which made them increase their energy intake unnecessarily. The fat they ate didn't make them put on weight, but the eating over and above their energy requirement did.

Once again, you can lose weight however suits you best, because (varying metabolism rates aside) if you consume more energy than you expend you will gain weight, and if you consume less energy than you expend you will lose weight -- as shown by these mice.

I'll trust my own experience. I lost three stone on a low catb/high fat diet. It's the only one that's worked for me. Low fat is just hideous.

carbs are not the devil.
refined ones - well you don't really need them. but whole grain, potatoes are good for you in moderation.
they actually contain a good amount of protein as well.

I worry about the livers of some here...

Why the liver?

Too much refined sugar and high-fructose corn syrup causes a fatty buildup that can lead to liver disease. Some studies show that sugar can be as damaging to the liver as alcohol, even if you're not overweight. It's one more reason to limit foods with added sugars, such as soda, pastries, and candy.

Some interesting links on the Diabetes UK site (linked earlier). Some research dating back to 2014 and still seemingly ignored by the NHS.