To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

I wonder what time of the year the study was done ? would that have an impact on the mice , do they need to eat a higher fat diet at certain times of the year to have adequate fat stores over the winter ?

Didn't the WHO just classify processed meat like bacon as a carcinogen? And I've read plenty about how dairy is not great for you (not sure how true this is?) But I also get that fat is needed and disagree with demonising foods like nuts and avocado for example. My approach is I don't ban anything and just try and eat as many vegetables as possible. I don't see anything wrong with some non-vegetable carbs; brown rice or potatoes for example (as long as you're not eating a massive pile of them).

Everyone needs nutrients. That means fibre, vitamins and minerals, fats, sugars and starches, carbs, etc, etc.
There are many processes which are not fully understood (and certainly not by the masses), where well intentioned can result in contrary behaviour - cooking some foods reduces their nutrient levels, but actually improves absorption of those nutrients. Drinking orange juice with your wheatabix improves the rate of iron absorbtion, etc.

Yes, you can eat 'wrong' and die of some form of dietary disease/condition. Or you can eat right and die of something else.

Too much meat, especially red meat and processed meat, is not good for you, that's for sure. I prefer a balanced diet.

Also I’m not entirely convinced LCHF are eating much more meat than your average non-vegetarian

When you get rid of the processed stuff good quality meat is expensive. So it’s not going to feature all the time. Plus I know I just stick to one beef stew or spaghetti bolognese and a roast (chicken) a week (no chops, no lamb) , it may not be what people imagine it to be.

They did re bacon. It’s the pink dye we don’t like it grey. And it’s hard to shift our attachment to it. I found it interestkng and had a look.

Or whatever turns it pink. Same with some other pink processed stuff

"And 'low fat' is full of sugar and Chems to make it more palatable"

No, not necessarily.

“Semi skimmed and more so, skimmed milk do have additives in it though to make it taste better. A quick google has loads of sources for this, however, this one is American - maybe our milk doesn't go to the lengths of adding chocolate flavouring but I'd rather stick with plant based - I'm vegetarian but unable to make the full leap to vegan, I love cheese and eggs too much.”

No need to google for contents of skimmed milk, Look at the bottle. There is nothing in there but MILK

I don’t know why everyone is obsessed with fruit corners when talking about sugar added to low fat stuff. They’re just one product out of millions

If LCHF diets aren't upping their meat intake, what are you eating? Just green vegetables and dairy? When I did it, any root vegetables were also out. The meat intake must be higher. The diet I followed advocated grass fed meat, so it is expensive, but it must be higher meat if you are cutting out carbs and starchy vegetables.

I eat more fish and eggs and loads of cauliflower and courgettes. So not perfect either. I do feel for the fish

But it’s really not loads of meat if you say make a vegetarian pasta and use courgette instead. Also spinach and tomatoes a lot. I really enjoy what I eat so I don’t mind repetition

As I already said marsha, plant based LCHF is possible. But, having been part of the LCHF “community” for want of a better word before, I’d say for every LCHFer like you, there are many more who eat much more meat and dairy than your average low fat dieter.

Even Diabetes UK and the NHS can't agree

www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/nhs-diet-advice.html

You have a lot to learn about research design if you think a study that looks at mice for 7 days can be externally generalised to the eating habits of the human population over a period of years.

Amen to that.

OP (and others), if you want to cite a study as your 'proof', please read the study itself and not simply the reporting on the study.

I'm in the middle of a literature review. One piece of evidence I'm critiquing claims in the title that it investigates X and Y. The discussion and conclusion both talk about X and Y. The abstract talks about X and Y and is a bit vague on the study methods. I've found a media report on this study that reiterates its claims about X and Y.

After reading the full study, it's very obvious that only X was investigated. The data didn't look at Y. Y was part of the discussion, part of the conclusion, part of the abstract and part of the title but the claims were pure speculation based on the data for X, which incidentally already had a large body of evidence.

I could have read everything but the methods and results and come away thinking I was entirely justified making claims about Y. I'd have been spouting rubbish if I did.

Skimmed milk has a much higher sugar content than full fat milk.

12g of sugar per serving

That’s what people mean when they say ‘strip the fat out and it’ll be replaced with sugar’. But because we are brainwashed around low fat we think this is better than full fat.

That’s great news! I’m off to gorge on candy

OP I've not RTFT but it's not 'carbs' or fat that are the problem, it's sugar. I eat loads of fat and no sugars apart from those found in complex carbs; I don't count calories and have stayed at the same (v healthy) weight for years. I follow this diet as it reversed my diabetes.

HTH

I’m not completely plant-based but it’s true I can’t do the whole pork chop / lamb chop etc on repeat. Not only cost but it’s too much animal fat for me. (I don’t know if people do eat like that)

I reckon honing in on the type of woe would be pretty good. Perhaps even the obesity crisis would be hard pressed to continue growing if everyone did it

Retrospective study - Carried out by a man who sells books advocating this type of diet, which are mostly considered fad diet plans

Though he is an MD and he is certified as an internist by the Board of Internal Medicine and the National Board of Medical Examiners.

Fage full fat and fat free Greek yogurt have the same amount of sugar in them per 100g.

"Skimmed milk has a much higher sugar content than full fat milk.

12g of sugar per serving

That’s what people mean when they say ‘strip the fat out and it’ll be replaced with sugar’."

This is natural lactose, it's not 'added sugar' that's been added to replace the fat.

That’s what people mean when they say ‘strip the fat out and it’ll be replaced with sugar’. But because we are brainwashed around low fat we think this is better than full fat.

Yes, but it hasn’t been “replaced” by adding sugar, which I think is what some people think. It’s simply because if you remove one part of milk, the other parts will obviously increase in volume per portion.

Like, if you have squash (sugar free of course ) and you make it quite strong, there will be 20% sugar to 80% water or something. Take out 10% of the squash and it’s now 90% water. So in 100mls you can drink the same volume, but have 90mls water instead of 80mls. It’s the same with milk. Remove fat, sugar will increase.

I don’t care if you’re skinny as a rake, it’s just horrible to me, setting out to deliberately up your intake of animal produce when we’re all being told by most experts to reduce meat and dairy consumption for the sake of the planet

This.

And agree with OP, there's never been a scientific basis for eating high fat diets. The Mediterranean diet - lots of veg, grains, some fish, nuts and olive oils - usually comes top in any scientific study.

I am eating low carb at the moment and feel much less healthy. If I look at the calories I am consuming they are now very low too because I just don't feel like I need that much food at the moment. Low carb does work, as does any diet if you stick to it, I just find low carb easier to stick to... Do miss sandwiches though

PS you can do low carb vegetarian.