To think that the fat you eat is the fat you wear?

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New study finds that fat consumption is the only cause of weight gain

medicalxpress.com/news/2018-07-fat-consumption-weight-gain.html

I know carbs are the villain at the moment, but it's only a matter of time before fat is the villain again.

I am on a low-fat diet and am sticking to that, I think, even though I am unfashionable. For the moment!

LCHF does work and of course is never ‘no carb’ which sometimes people say as shorthand but not right

As a woe I still find it healthier but when people list cheese, butter and red meat as much higher I don’t agree it necessarily is.

Although loads of green veg, eggs do feature and fish.

No single cause for anything. Lots of carbs and fat are found together (donuts, fish n chips😄)
Some vitamins are fat soluble, low fat is ok, no fat is not. Makes you grumpy and ruins your skin, nuts, avocado, fish, olive/rapeseed oil are good, trans fats, cake and biscuits not so much. Jury out on animal fat, dairy supposed to be ok.
Hard to get calcium if no fat, welcome if you want osteoporosis

Semi skimmed and more so, skimmed milk do have additives in it though to make it taste better

What additives?

Eeeeeww 50% fat chicken selects (not envy).

McDonald’s isn’t suitable for a low fat diet (obviously). I know some low carbers who used to go and buy loads of cheeseburgers there and bin the buns.

Wonder why the planet’s fucked when we manage to overconsume without even consuming what we’ve bought!

HFHC especially the increase in sugar is the culprit for fat and obesity not a good HFLC woe

Do the people who say we don't need carbs, and would be healthier without them never eat vegetables?

And what food group would you say the calories in a McDonalds meal typically come from

Fat/carbs, there's not a lot in it to be honest. Just put one of them special bacon double cheeseburger they're doing now, large fries
and large full sugar coke in their nutrition calculator and got 1335 cals, 61 g fat and 147 g carbohydrate, mostly from sugar in the coke. But there's also 44 g of protein and just because the beef and bacon is McDonalds, it doesn't make it nutritionally deficient. Still good protein like from any other animal source.

As there's 9 cals/g for fat and 4 for carbs, the calories from these will be about the same and you could substantially reduce the sugar and hence carbs by having a lower or no sugar drink.

But that's obviously too many calories for a meal for most people and that's the point. People are eating more than they used to, moving less and drinking more calories.

But it would depend what else a person eating that meal ate whether it caused them to gain weight. I would find a large bacon double cheeseburger and large fries extremely filling and couldn't eat it in one go, so it would probably count as 2 meals nearly. If I wanted to eat something like that, I would have a decent sized breakfast and a late-ish lunch of the monster burger and probably not eat for the rest of the day and as long as I did a little more than sit on my arse all day, it wouldn't cause me to gain weight. But obviously others would want to eat again that day, with that for lunch.

Well that’s assuming fries and a Diet Coke!

It does annoy me that low fat is assumed to mean mullerlights and fake foods. I am eating a relatively low fat diet because I tried LCHF and it took all the joy of food away,every meal felt like a chore to eat.

I am now eating a variation of the Mediterranean diet but I do keep an eye on my oil consumption, I use olive oil in moderation only. It has plenty of fruit and veg and low GI with plenty of fibre (filling) and hardly any processed foods.

The Spanish will soon top the world for life expectancy and death is my favourite outcome for medical statistics!

Do the people who say we don't need carbs, and would be healthier without them never eat vegetables?

This is as strawman argument. Nobody is saying we should eat no carbs, as that would be simply impossible since almost all foods, including eggs and meat, contain at least some carbs. What people are saying is that we don't need refined carbs like bread, pasta rice etc, as they have little or no nutritional value.

Fat/carbs, there's not a lot in it to be honest. Just put one of them special bacon double cheeseburger they're doing now, large fries
and large full sugar coke in their nutrition calculator and got 1335 cals, 61 g fat and 147 g carbohydrate, mostly from sugar in the coke.

Well yes, but the 'super-sized' parts will be the carbs - the coke and the 'fries'. That is what has changed over the past decades, while the protein and fat will have remained fairly constant.

Nobody says no carbs

Anyone that enjoys LCHF knows this

It’s just shorthand usually by people who eat loads of carbs

Nothing is cut out completely

Vegetables are still eaten as a source of carbs - usually green ones or others that are low

Gluconeogenesis exists solely to provide energy in the ABSENCE of glucose. So glucose is what your body preferentially uses, and will only begin to convert other molecules after your glycogen stores have been depleted. It's a starvation response.

There’s good protein in pasta and rice, how is that ‘little to no nutritional value’?

Didn't the study suggest that the mice fed fat just ate more. So for some reason feeding mice fat makes them eat more food.

The only WOE that has consistently been shown to be the healthiest is the Mediterranean diet, so lots of vegetables, plant based fats like olive oil, oily fish and the beloved avocado, some carbs and minimal processed foods and sugar. It also seems the most pleasant WOE too. The trouble is, that the diet industry needs to come up with a new fad each time to sell books/. magazines etc and people want a quick fix. Not to be told to eat more vegetables and less junk food. I've done LCHF before. I lost weight, but couldnt sustain it, because I couldnt see myself never eating a pulse again, or rice, which I missed more than I missed bread. I have never put weight on so fast. I found it really unforgiving and never got out of the 2 week introductory phase. I'm also uncomfortable about the excessive meat and animal fat consumption advocated on LCHF. Its environmentally unsustainable.
I was in Holland for Half Term. I have never eaten so much bread, yet I have lost a couple of lbs. The bread I was eating was dark rye or wholemeal and looked and tasted freshly baked. I also noticed that there was hardly anyone walking around and eating. Even when people bought things from snack bars, they stood or sat at a table, ate it and then moved on. The portion sizes were also smaller. The only people walking about with food and massive coffee cups were the tourists. You could tell because they were fatter. I made me wonder whether we have got into the habit of just stuffing things in our mouths unconsciously, so we do it when we are not hungry more. Obviously the cycling and walking culture has a lot to do with it, but I do wonder if the European attitudes to food are just much healthier because they try and stem the influence of American junk food more than we do and try and cling onto their own eating culture.

I'm also uncomfortable about the excessive meat and animal fat consumption advocated on LCHF. Its environmentally unsustainable.

Totally agree.

These effects of dietary fat seemed to be because uniquely fat in the diet stimulated the reward centres in the brain, stimulating greater intake.

It’s not that much different to The Mediterranean diet held up in high esteem below - or it doesn’t have to be.

Loads of vegetables, and fish - ok poor fish but it appears to be good on here.

So reading that post it felt similar but not the rice and pulses which is fairly minimal difference

I think there a couple things that are telling as to what is actually healthier.

1. Look at what diabetics are told (so they won’t die)
2. Look at what bariatric surgery patients are told (so they won’t die)

Both are told to up the protein and cut the sugar. If you gave a low fat/high sugar yoghurt to a bariatric patient or a diabetic patient, you could kill them. Let that tell you what you need to know about biology and what’s the real fad diet (low fat). Humans have been doing keto since the beginning of time, it’s the caveman’s diet. Low fat diets consist of highly manipulated/unnatural foods.

It’s carbs PLUS fat that’s the problem. You couldn’t eat just spoonfuls of sugar or lumps of butter, but put them together in a cake or biscuit and you can eat and eat and eat.

It’s just like anything else. Moderation is the obvious answer, eat a bit of one and a bit of the other. BUT what’s easy and obvious to say can be very hard to do!

There’s good protein in pasta and rice, how is that ‘little to no nutritional value’?

Just looked at the back of a packet of De Cecco pasta. 70g carbs and 14g protein. If you're looking to eat protein, there are far more efficient ways to do so.

I’d add tomatoes, nuts and berries as a good way to go - it’s not a fad type woe if you don’t go crazy with the bad heart stuff

Most will have had blood tests if they’re over 40 so you can know what the general risk is from that

Low fat dairy is fine other than flavoured yogurts which do have a lot of sugar added.

Although I am so hungry today I would eat one of those mice dipped in chocolate or battered and deep fried or both

That’s great news! I’m off to gorge on candy.