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WIBU - Ungrateful Teens?

155 replies

ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 16:33

My sibling is a single parent to two older teenagers and lives in a different country. From a young age, the children were raised with no rules or boundaries and have always been quite bad mannered and spoiled.

Whenever they’ve visited or I’ve visited them or we’ve taken them on dream holidays (at no cost to my sibling) we’ve been expected to turn a blind eye to rude actions and words towards myself and my parents, waiting staff/ hotel/ shop workers etc and sulking/tantrums when they’ve not got what they’ve wanted. They’ve destroyed furniture and household items (ie picked leather off the sofa, dug out grouting in the bathroom, peeled off wallpaper) even as teenagers.

My sibling goes no contact with anyone who makes any suggestions or observations about their behaviour. They believe their children are the most beautiful, most talented children in the world and will not accept any other narrative, no matter how gentle an approach we use.

Each year I spend around £500 or £600 on them between Christmas/Birthdays and extra treats. It’s difficult to get presents delivered to the country they live in and my family and I have some trouble to get gifts over there.

I did not receive a thank you or an acknowledgment of any kind for the expensive and thoughtful birthday gifts I sent earlier in the year. The gifts were definitely received and since then they’ve text with selfies/pictures of themselves on nights out/trips and “sign this petition” messages. Whenever they do get in contact they never say “Hi hope you’re well” it’s only ever “I wore this dress last night and everyone was saying I looked stunning” or “I did x and made (my sibling) cry cos I was so amazing”.

The last Christmas I spent with them, something really wonderful happened for me on Christmas Eve that I tried not to make a big deal of but I did get some attention for it. The eldest teen proceeded to ignore me totally and go off and sulk in a different room for the rest of Christmas Eve because they couldn’t stand anyone else getting any attention. I was very hurt because over the years I’ve given a lot of love and nurturing to them and always overlooked my own feelings when I’ve been treated badly. I asked my sibling what was wrong and they said “X is really pissed off at you because of what happened for you tonight” and they burst out laughing thinking it was hilarious. The rest of the family felt very awkward because the eldest was refusing to be around any of us. The sulking continued into Christmas Day when they also refused to say hello or acknowledge one of my parents. My parents and I spent over £1000 between us on the two teenagers for Christmas and straight away the eldest went on Instagram and started saying how all their friends got better presents and how it wasn’t fair. It was very difficult for us to afford that level of spending and so the attitude was a real kick in the teeth.

I’m at the point now where I am just completely done. They are practically adults and I’m sick of putting myself out there and getting stepped all over. I’ve done it to keep the peace in the family but I don’t want to be a mug any longer.

WIBU to just send a cheque for Christmas with a note saying “seeing as I didn’t receive a thank you for your birthday gifts this year, I assume you weren’t happy with what I bought you. I thought I’d just send money this year so you can buy what you want and I won’t have the trouble and expense of arranging delivery etc.”

Any help with wording would be really helpful please! I don’t want a falling out in my family but I’m also sick of being treated like crap. After almost 18 years I just feel done now.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/10/2018 17:44

I’m very much the poor relation ... I’ve given money I’ve genuinely not had in the past

Then the solution is up to you and no one else

If you'd "be comfortable sending a cheque for £25 each and no explanation", why not do exactly that and treat any strops with the disdain they deserve? You could tell them you simply can't afford any more if you wish, though equally you could simply say it's none of their damned business

Jux · 28/10/2018 17:45

In fact, I bet your parents are more dependent on you than vice versa. I bet they're think that you're the one who'll be looking after them in their old age.

KatharinaRosalie · 28/10/2018 17:46

Charity. Do the charity. If chicken was good enough for your sister to give, surely a goat is more than enough.

HeckyPeck · 28/10/2018 17:47

Well they set the precedent with the chickens so I’d send one a £25 Oxfam goat and the other an Oxfam pig £23.

They can hardly complain when they sent chickens!

Soubriquet · 28/10/2018 17:48

Once they hit 18 fuck em off and save yourself some money

ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 17:49

I was an unplanned late baby. I’ve been a carer for older relatives since I was very young (a child). By that time sibling had flown the nest. My parents are hugely dependent on me.

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Soubriquet · 28/10/2018 17:51

Can you see your family spending this much on your own children when you have them?

I used to spoil my niece like mad on her birthday and Christmas. Even when it skint me.

When I had my own children, my sister bought fuck all for my kids.

So now I’ve stopped

plominoagain · 28/10/2018 17:51

Definitely a charity donation . In fact , make it a donation to Barnardo’s , so at least you know the money will go to deserving kids .

junebirthdaygirl · 28/10/2018 17:54

Think the charity option is the best..preferable a pig each. Make no mention of ungratefulness just say..girls its great to see ye growing up so well and so kind so l know ye will be pleased l bought this in your names..looking forward to seeing ye in the Summer.

ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 17:55

Sibling would definitely never remember to give a child of mine anything at all. I’ve always known that. I don’t give to get though, so it didn’t really matter to me. Although now I feel a bit like “id rather spend the money on a spa day for myself” or give it to the food bank or spend a little more on my closest friend’s little ones who I’ve a closer relationship with.

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Soubriquet · 28/10/2018 17:56

Keep the money to yourself

Honestly

Don’t give money to people who aren’t going to appreciate it

EnglishRose13 · 28/10/2018 17:57

Send "a donation has been made in your honour..." and give to a charity.

Solenti · 28/10/2018 18:02

Fuck that.
Card only from now on. At most, box of chocolates for the family. If they ask why I would tell the truth. They are raising absolute arseholes and to be honest, I can't see being NC with them a big loss.

Bluetrews25 · 28/10/2018 18:03

Do you really think your parents will turn their backs on you when they are going to want you to care for them in their dotage as you are the only relative in the country?
If they do cut you off, personally I would be grateful, as they sound pretty toxic. Have you looked at any of the stately homes stuff on here? Sounds like you are under the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt thing).
Stop giving gifts to the 'children' now.
And, FGS, make a will - inspired by the brother intestate thread - leave everything to your friends or the dogs home, whatever, but please do not give these ungrateful, nasty graspers another penny. I hope you get your own family in the future.

confusedmomm · 28/10/2018 18:05

Honestly do not give them anything unless it's a goat like the people above suggested / money to charity in their name or something. Your parents I'm sorry to say are VU considering you don't get as much as a card or present back. The fact they complain!! About the amount you give them is a kick in the teeth. No way would I be giving them anything else. Bring on the rift it's between you / her - then, not your parents.
Treat yourself to a SPA and / or trip instead!!

confusedmomm · 28/10/2018 18:06

And if they do moan about it, tell them the truth! Bad parenting on your sisters side this is.

Feefeetrixabelle · 28/10/2018 18:07

Buy them a goat. Or a book on manners.

Feefeetrixabelle · 28/10/2018 18:10

And as you say you have older relatives that depend on you- well they better be respecting your entirely reasonable decisions. If they want to side with their daughter over who caused a rift well the prodigal child can come and be their carer then can’t she!

ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 18:11

Thanks @Bluetrews. Yes lots of FOG. It’s a very dysfunctional family, lots of NPD, BPD and addiction and from childhood I’ve been picking up the pieces and taking on everyone else’s shit. But I’ve had enough. I want my own life now and some love and kindness in my direction for a change. Will take a look at the Stately Home Thread. Thanks.

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ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 18:14

Feefeetrixabelle 😂 love it!

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Sequencedress · 28/10/2018 18:15

Another vote for the goat! To bring it into perspective for you, my dn recently turned 18, and she's heavily into a sport, so I bought her some name brand gear she'd been eyeing up but didn't have the cash to buy. (£70 worth of goods) I've had numerous messages of thanks from her, pictures of the outfit in action, and a massive hug. Ordinarily I'd spend £20—30 on her for birthday and Christmas, and she just got this for a 'big' birthday, but even when spending smaller amounts I still always get a lovely thank you, and she appreciates her gifts/if I give her money to save up for larger items.
They're spoiled brats. Keep the money for a spa day, and enjoy every second!! Grin

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/10/2018 18:18

My parents are hugely dependent on me

I hate to say it, but in that case they probably can't afford to alienate you too much can they?

ShadyLady53 · 28/10/2018 18:19

@sequencedress your niece sounds so lovely, as do you.

The bit that got me most was the hug. Last time I saw them (sibling and their kids) I’d travelled 5 hours to see them and they refused to even get up off the sofa when I arrived. Actually said “I’d get up and give you a hug but I can’t be arsed haha.”

It’s like living in an alternative reality.

Right then. What shall we call the goat?

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Labradoodliedoodoo · 28/10/2018 18:30

I would put £25 in a card and say you are tightening your belt but they can stick the cash in the back or put the money towards something

Labradoodliedoodoo · 28/10/2018 18:31

Book voucher for £25