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Is my 6yo a CF? (Light-hearted!)

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Larrythecat · 23/10/2018 10:53

I'm conflicted. My 6yo (DD) is polite with please and thank yous, but you give her a penny and she will ask for a pound (literally). On the one hand, I think this is a great skill to have for when she is older, I picture her negotiating salaries at her annual PDR, or convincing a colleague to do that job she doesn't really like, or getting the best cuts at the butcher. I don't know. But then, right now, I feel like stopping her and restraining that skill for the sake of playdates and good relationship with other mums. I feel she can be a tiny bit of a CF sometimes, but at the same time I'm secretly proud of her negotiating skills and I'm not sure I should stop her! Plus the dynamics of gender here really play a part. I feel it looks worse because she's a girl and assertiveness is not really rewarded at this age...
Examples (loosely adapted, for anonymity): DD goes to playdate. She asks if she can get random plastic toy from their house, playdate mum says yes. DD upgrades her request to another toy that is nicer. "Oh, actually, can I take this instead?"
DD is present when someone invites little brother to party. DD puts puppy eyes and asks if she can go. We say no and that she can do something nice that day instead. Party mum feels sorry and says yes because someone dropped out. She has effectively pushed her way in the party. DD goes to party and asks for party bag at the end, which she then wants to exchange for a different bag because the one given was "for boys". She's told off by us.
DD would ask super nicely in front of other people if she could please go to their house for a playdate. I keep saying she can't invite herself to other people's houses. People invite her over after that. She then pushes for having tea at their house, which sometimes she gets. This requests are made with sweet little girl's face, she would look at friend and say "oh, maybe I can stay for tea at yours!", so they would both turn to the other mum and beg her.
DD goes and asks people directly, instead of coming through us. So all of a sudden I head people either agreeing or putting excuses for playdates, school holidays trips, weekend plans, whatever. Usually just in the shape of meeting at the park or someone's house, but still!
DD wants to see film on TV. Friend doesn't like said film. DD starts with "just let me show you the start, it has this thing (random thing not important in the plot that only appears once) that you really really like. I'll show it to you and if you don't like it, then we put the one you like"... Followed by film already on, random detail does not come until minute 30, friend has forgotten about her choice and now they watch this film. She had her way.

I feel it's rude... But then I think I'd like her to have that skill after her teenage years, so she can navigate adulthood asking for what she likes or wants. I feel I'm repressing her now but that in ten years I'll be doing the work to reverse it. I'm tempted to let her be and just excuse her to the parents...

Is your child a bit of a CF? Do you think it pays off in life later on? Is this really that bad or am I overthinking it and people don't pay attention to this from a child this age?

OP posts:
tiggerkid · 23/10/2018 10:56

What's CF?

ItsNiceItsDifferentItsUnusual · 23/10/2018 11:02

Sorry I do think she's being a bit of a CF, and I also think it's nothing to do with gender. I'd find that behaviour extremely annoying in a boy or girl.

Assertiveness and confidence are totally separate to what you're describing imo.

MarthasGinYard · 23/10/2018 11:04

She sounds a bit of a pain and can see where she gets it from.

LetsHaveAnotherGo · 23/10/2018 11:05

Yeah sorry OP I think that's rude.

If my DD had a friend like that I think I'd steer away from her to avoid getting sucked into play dates. I don't think it's polite for children to try and worm their way into things.

Next time she invites herself to a party you need to give a firm 'no' and reassure the other parent that she won't be coming. You're allowing her to put other people (both children and adults) into a situation they don't really like but probably feel uncomfortable getting out of.

JohnnyKarate · 23/10/2018 11:05

You need to be careful that assertiveness doesn’t become an excuse for rudeness. The adults I work with that I can’t bear, are the ones who use exertiveness as an excuse to be rude.

Namechangeforthiscancershit · 23/10/2018 11:05

Ooh yes definitely I’m afraid!

Confidence is great, this isn’t that I don’t think. It sounds like she will have no problem standing up for herself in the future so I don’t think you’ll be causing any problems by limiting this.

MarthasGinYard · 23/10/2018 11:06

'Is your child a bit of a CF?'

No

Plus, dc has manners

MarthasGinYard · 23/10/2018 11:07

'Party mum feels sorry and says yes because someone dropped out. She has effectively pushed her way in the party. '

Then you say no

MarthasGinYard · 23/10/2018 11:10

Same with inviting herself to stay for tea at friends houses.

Explain it isn't happening and she isn't to ask.

You describe 'puppy eyes' and 'sweet little girl' looks

I'd personally see a lack of manners and grace being installed.

Are you pushy too??

Singlenotsingle · 23/10/2018 11:11

She's likely to turn into a Princess Pushy. Just a PETA, and I don't know that it'll do her any good as she gets older. Personally I'd be thinking one to avoid.

PawsomePugFancier · 23/10/2018 11:11

My 5 yr old is like this but I think I have a different line between being forward/assertive and being entitled and rude - I'm definitely trying to rein it in (possibly as it is usually my older, gentle, DD on the receiving end). My DD always tries to bargain - I think my approach when she was younger "do you want to put on your socks then brush your teeth, or brush your teeth then put on your socks?" has backfired horribly, "do you want to get me that comic or let me choose a sweet, you have to choose one."

I think you do need to teach empathy though, if they aren't thinking about how their requests make other people feel. "would you like to go to Xs house if she made you watch a film you didn't like?" I wouldn't let the other mothers override you either, especially not in front of her, that is the opposite of setting a strong example. I think it is reasonable to learn manners, being a good negotiator is not the same as being demanding or manipulative, it takes listening as well. So I am trying to increase the listening and consideration more than stamp down the assertiveness - if that makes sense.

I think my DD has met her match since starting school, so that is doing a lot of the work for me (outsourcing parenting to other 5 year olds is the way forward)!

xyzandabc · 23/10/2018 11:13

Honestly? She sounds really annoying. At 6 she may be just about getting away with it but by 7/8/9, both friends and adults are going to wise up to her and she may find herself on the sidelines.

I know a couple of children like that and try and avoid them, disencourage playdates, find that we're 'busy' if their name crops up. You just know that if you give them an inch, they'll take a mile and end up walking all over your child who was only trying to be kind.

My kids know that if I say no, that means no. These children seem to think if I say no, I'm only teasing and if they keep on and on, I'll cave. I tend to find they are never told no by their parents and rule the roost at home. Fine in their own house if that's how they choose to live/parent, but in my house, my rules, whether they like it or not.

PhilODox · 23/10/2018 11:13

Yes, she will go far... but she will get a reputation for being rude!

Merryoldgoat · 23/10/2018 11:20

I know a pair of siblings like this. They’re really unpleasant to be around (which I find really difficult to say).

She’s pushing boundaries inappropriately and you’re not dealing with it.

Waitingonasmiley42 · 23/10/2018 11:20

Some of the things you list are rude and would make people feel very uncomfortable. I think you'd be wrong to encourage her.

Weezol · 23/10/2018 11:21

I'm with MarthasGinYard on this. Indulging this behaviour is storing up problems for the future.

Karmin · 23/10/2018 11:25

I would be much firmer and say No to her in front of the other parents so they know you are not encouraging her.

She is not sweet, she is manipulating, knowing that by using her appearance she can get her own way...

Oldraver · 23/10/2018 11:32

You need to take her in hand and sort it now, before everyone gets fed up of the little Princess

Blanchedupetitpois · 23/10/2018 11:36

She does sound quite rude. She isn’t really negotiating, she’s just manipulating situations where out of politeness people feel obliged to give her what she wants.

She’s not a CF, or a monster. Just a six year old who needs taught that she’s being rude. You can channel those feelings into real assertiveness and confidence, but at the moment you’d do her more favours by sharply correcting her behaviour every time and letting her know when she’s taking advantage of others.

Mugglemom · 23/10/2018 11:36

I do agree that you need to be the one to say no in most of these scenarios. But I don't agree with calling her annoying, manipulative, and rude. These are common boundaries to test at this age!

whiskeysourpuss · 23/10/2018 11:39

Sorry to break it to you OP but she's the kid all the other parents can't stand but they don't want to be rude & say outright that she can't have/can't come so they're waiting on you to pull her back into line but you're not doing it because you're too busy marvelling at her negotiating skills pure fucking cheek & brass neckedness. It's a safe bet that your attitude to this is the topic of conversation at play dates between other kids that your DD hasn't managed to wheedle an invite to

I'd be fucking mortified if that was my child & she'd be reined in PDQ.

krustykittens · 23/10/2018 11:40

Yes, she is being rude but she is six! My daughter used to ask parents if she could come to their houses for play dates, it soon stopped when we explained to her it was rude and why. But she was about five and didn't see the harm. She is still a confident and outgoing girl (well, sometimes. I can still be shocked at how quickly that confidence evaporates in certain situations but she is a teenager now) so don't worry about taking your daughter in hand and putting a stop to pushy behaviour. Teaching her manners isn't going to stop her from knowing her self worth and asking for a pay rise as an adult!

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 23/10/2018 11:40

Not so much CF but more so extremely annoying....and if she gets her own way all the time I dread to think what sort of teenage she will be. Hopefully not a lonely one.

Sorry OP I know this is light hearted and that you are secretly proud of her CF ways but seriously, stop pandering to her before that rod on your back gets too big!

littlemisscomper · 23/10/2018 11:41

If she were a friend of my child I'd be doing everything I could to limit their contact! The thing is she could be excused for being a 'CF' because she's young and hasn't learned, but what's not really excusable is your support of it! That's where she's learning it's ok from! Why would you allow her to bring other children's toys home with her, or push her way into a birthday party she wasn't invited to? Why would you allow her to bully a friend into watching a particular film? There's this thing called 'parenting' which means you place boundaries for your child so they learn what is and isn't acceptable behaviour.

dancinfeet · 23/10/2018 11:42

Just out of interest, how does she react when her requests are met with a firm 'no'? Does she accept it with good grace, or does she go on and on until she get what she wants or does she throw a tantrum? Or is she one of those kids that is never told no, and gets her own way all of the time?

Sorry OP, but she sounds like the sort of kid who I would make a point of saying no to (i.e. was half thinking of inviting them, then they ask directly so I say no). And if a child asked to take a toy from my house (presuming that it already belonged to one of my kids) they would be given short shrift, as that is beyond cheeky!! Maybe I'm just old-school, as my kids are teens now, but in my job I am coming across more and more over-indulged children like your DD.