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Is my 6yo a CF? (Light-hearted!)

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Larrythecat · 23/10/2018 10:53

I'm conflicted. My 6yo (DD) is polite with please and thank yous, but you give her a penny and she will ask for a pound (literally). On the one hand, I think this is a great skill to have for when she is older, I picture her negotiating salaries at her annual PDR, or convincing a colleague to do that job she doesn't really like, or getting the best cuts at the butcher. I don't know. But then, right now, I feel like stopping her and restraining that skill for the sake of playdates and good relationship with other mums. I feel she can be a tiny bit of a CF sometimes, but at the same time I'm secretly proud of her negotiating skills and I'm not sure I should stop her! Plus the dynamics of gender here really play a part. I feel it looks worse because she's a girl and assertiveness is not really rewarded at this age...
Examples (loosely adapted, for anonymity): DD goes to playdate. She asks if she can get random plastic toy from their house, playdate mum says yes. DD upgrades her request to another toy that is nicer. "Oh, actually, can I take this instead?"
DD is present when someone invites little brother to party. DD puts puppy eyes and asks if she can go. We say no and that she can do something nice that day instead. Party mum feels sorry and says yes because someone dropped out. She has effectively pushed her way in the party. DD goes to party and asks for party bag at the end, which she then wants to exchange for a different bag because the one given was "for boys". She's told off by us.
DD would ask super nicely in front of other people if she could please go to their house for a playdate. I keep saying she can't invite herself to other people's houses. People invite her over after that. She then pushes for having tea at their house, which sometimes she gets. This requests are made with sweet little girl's face, she would look at friend and say "oh, maybe I can stay for tea at yours!", so they would both turn to the other mum and beg her.
DD goes and asks people directly, instead of coming through us. So all of a sudden I head people either agreeing or putting excuses for playdates, school holidays trips, weekend plans, whatever. Usually just in the shape of meeting at the park or someone's house, but still!
DD wants to see film on TV. Friend doesn't like said film. DD starts with "just let me show you the start, it has this thing (random thing not important in the plot that only appears once) that you really really like. I'll show it to you and if you don't like it, then we put the one you like"... Followed by film already on, random detail does not come until minute 30, friend has forgotten about her choice and now they watch this film. She had her way.

I feel it's rude... But then I think I'd like her to have that skill after her teenage years, so she can navigate adulthood asking for what she likes or wants. I feel I'm repressing her now but that in ten years I'll be doing the work to reverse it. I'm tempted to let her be and just excuse her to the parents...

Is your child a bit of a CF? Do you think it pays off in life later on? Is this really that bad or am I overthinking it and people don't pay attention to this from a child this age?

OP posts:
HellenaHandbasket · 23/10/2018 14:34

But why don't you intervene?

namechange7362528494 · 23/10/2018 14:41

She definitely is a CF

FiddleFigs · 23/10/2018 14:53

Wow - some of these responses are harsh and unkind! Some PPs are pretty unforgiving towards young children who are still learning how to navigate their way in the world.

OP, my 4 year old DD is a little bit like this, in some respects. She's very direct and isn't shy of grown-ups. I am always very clear to her on how she can't just invite herself over (or invite people over to ours - which is more often the case) - and she is getting better but I think she often just wants to cut out the middle man (me!). But I'm working on her empathy - trying to get her to see things from the other person's perspective. But, also, she is 4, so it will take time. And it saddens me to think that, based on some of the comments here, she will encounter so many unkind and judgemental mothers while she's learning.

Ohyesiam · 23/10/2018 14:58

Is she an Aries op?Grin

Jlynhope · 23/10/2018 15:05

DS had a friend like this. We were close with her parents and hardly see them anymore. It wasn't fun for him because she always got her way, and since her parents felt oddly proud of their assertive little girl nothing was ever said except in jest. They feel their DD will one day be a CEO or something because she's assertive. I think their DD will be a pain in the ass no one will want to work with.

You are the only one who finds her behavior cute. She needs to learn some manners.

SequinsOnEverything · 23/10/2018 15:08

If dd had a friend like this I wouldn't have them over to play and would encourage dd to play with others instead.

She is rude op. Maybe it will be useful when she's older. Maybe it will make people dislike her a lot.

ti · 23/10/2018 15:11

oh god cute little girls like this grow up to be the women we all dread our Son's falling in love with.

SaucyJack · 23/10/2018 15:13

“Is this really that bad or am I overthinking it and people don't pay attention to this from a child this age?”

It is really that bad, but at her age people will be blaming you for not having taught her any manners.

And quite rightly so.

longwayoff · 23/10/2018 15:15

Suggest you watch The Good Place on netflix. Tahani is your daughter's future.

Whereisthecoffee · 23/10/2018 15:38

Asking for toys is bad enough without then asking to upgrade Shock

TisMeTheLadFromTheBar · 23/10/2018 15:40

There's a mother and her DD at my DCs school like this. Their behaviour is rude and annoying. I avoid them and I subtly discourage my DC from being friends. Other parents are actively avoiding them too. There is a big difference between being rude and being assertive.

SleepingStandingUp · 23/10/2018 15:42

25 DD goes to playdate friends house. She asks if she can get random plastic toy dress from their house, playdate mum friend says yes. DD upgrades her request to another toy dress that is nicer. "Oh, actually, can I take this instead?"
Friend says yes even though she doesn't really want to.

DD is present when someone invites little brother to party wedding. DD puts puppy eyes and asks if she can go. We say no and that she can do something nice that day instead. Party mum brothers friend feels sorry and says yes because someone dropped out. She has effectively pushed her way in the party. Brother is resentful. DD goes to party and asks for party bag- wedding favour at the end, which she then wants to exchange for a different bag because the one given wasn't "for boys"-- good enough.

DD would ask super nicely in front of other people if she could please go to their house for a playdate coffee. People invite her over after that. She then pushes for having tea at their house, which sometimes she gets.

DD wants to see film on TV. Friend doesn't like said film. DD starts with "just let me show you the start, it has this thing (random thing not important in the plot that only appears once) that you really really like. I'll show it to you and if you don't like it, then we put the one you like"... Followed by film already on, random detail does not come until minute 30, friend has forgotten about her choice and now they watch this film. She had her way.

See that's just an annoying manipulative bratty adult. IF it's cute now it's because she's 6 but it will stop being cute very soon. Friends will realise they never get to pick the movie, restaurant holiday. Guys will realise she's moved herself in and picked a ring before they've actually decided if they're in love.

So no I don't think your 6 yo is a cheeky fucker but your 26 yo may well be

TisMeTheLadFromTheBar · 23/10/2018 15:45

Some PPs are pretty unforgiving towards young children who are still learning how to navigate their way in the world.
I'm forgiving of the child if it is a one of. I am less forgiving of their parent's for not teaching the child good manners or repeat bossy children.

mikado1 · 23/10/2018 15:52

My ds also 6 is like this. Like you I admire his neck (!) but eg if friend says they don't want to watch I tell him to accept no if it's no (I suppose I'm thinking of consent in years to come and he's such a negotiator). The toy from another house I finished years ago and have just told him straight he's not to ask. Yes, the other parents bend, but it's not a good habit to always expect to get his way. In general when it comes to his sibling or friends I stay out of it unless someone's upset.

itsgoodtobehome · 23/10/2018 15:53

My ds had a friend like this. ‘Had’ being the crucial word. They no longer have play dates because she was so annoying.

Wellfuckmeinbothears · 23/10/2018 15:55

Have you ever seen mean girls? Sounds like your daughter is an entitled bully.

chickennuggetsfortea · 23/10/2018 16:07

Fiddlefigs its the parents that don't pull their children up on bad behaviour that really annoys others

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 23/10/2018 16:10

@Whereisthecoffee
I like Tahani on The Good Place misses point

MarthasGinYard · 23/10/2018 16:10

'Have you ever seen mean girls? Sounds like your daughter is an entitled bully.'

Now that's a bloody giant leap TBF

ContessaGoesAMarching · 23/10/2018 16:12

I suppose I'm thinking of consent in years to come and he's such a negotiator

This is my worry with DS1, mikado....

Trinity66 · 23/10/2018 16:13

The gender thing isn't the issue here, a boy acting like that would be equally annoying, jeez tell her no instead of putting other parents in a really awkward position

mikado1 · 23/10/2018 16:21

ContessaGoesaMarching my repeated line is 'Hear the no the first time and accept it!' also 'If the other person is not having fun, you must stop.' I think he knows but has poor impulse control for now and of course instinct is to think of himself but I feel over time he'll get it. He'd better!

OP I think you've clocked this now and you need to be firmer on your nos and your original response ie no you're not going to the party, not getting what you want is also good for the character!

Merryoldgoat · 23/10/2018 16:42

Wow - some of these responses are harsh and unkind! Some PPs are pretty unforgiving towards young children who are still learning how to navigate their way in the world.

By 6, most children know about reasonable social interaction.

My son is 5 and on the autistic spectrum. He bargains but it’s:

‘You haveb to eat your vegetables’
‘Can I have half?’
‘No, all’
‘What about if I have a twix I can eat them’
Etc.

He understands it’s a negotiation and isn’t ever rude.

I have a friend with two children and they’re like the OP’s and it’s exhausting seeing them. They’re overindulged and think they should have what they want - I don’t think their parents have ever told them no.

longwayoff · 23/10/2018 16:47

Hey revolta, I like her too but would you want to spend time with her?

Vampiratequeen · 23/10/2018 17:15

My DD(4) is exactly the same, I usually just tell her no. One day she was asking for more food, even though she had had a bag of crisps, her tea, a bowl of fruit, some sweets and a biscuit, I told her no, left her with my DM while I went to pick my DH up from work and so she turned around to my mum and said "now mommy's gone can I have some more food, it will be or secret" luckily my DM didn't give her anymore food. She will pester my DM to play with her and if I say No she will respond with "I wasn't talking to you" as she knows my DM will give in to her. She will try to invite friends without asking, you offer her a choice of two things and she will say, that one first and then that one. She will also ask for something and you know what she is going to ask, so you say no and she gets upset and says "I am trying to tell you something" so you ask her what and she will ask the same question again with a reason as to why, the answer is still no.

I do feel the same as you though, that I don't want to completely remove her confidence and assertiveness etc but she still needs to learn some boundaries, plus I need to be able to live with her. 😂

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