To ask what people are afraid of with a People's Vote?

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Estimates reckon there were nearly a million people at the Peoples Vote march yesterday so support for it is high.

Why is it such a threat to others though?

If you're so convinced Leaving is the right thing to do for the country, why wouldn't you want that to be endorsed now people have a clearer idea of what is to come?

Or is it that you're worried Leave would now lose as it's been made clear there are no upsides?

In which case why do you want to go ahead with it anyway?

So far, I have learned that we're leaving because Patricia doesn't have hayfever.

Is that just the Leavers on this thread that need to vote, or is just the one vote from the 17 million?

We know that Johnson, Grease-Smug and Co won't for Norway. I don't know how many of them there are, let's say 40. So is it 17 million - 40 go for Norway?

One day you wake up to find that your next door neighbours run your monthly budget. They say where you shop, where you go on holiday and what cars you can drive.

As analogies go, this is one. Unfortunately it's a bad one. If we were part of the Eurozone then it could work, but we're not, so...

Are you telling me that - irrespective of how well or badly they ran your affairs - you wouldn’t resent that pretty quickly?

You come across in your posts as somebody who finds thinking difficult. Sorry about that, it must be easy for you to post fuckwittery. I almost feel sorry for you.

10.. I stopped posting for ages because of what is happening to you yesterday evening... The R lot go into attack mode and tell your you are wrong., that it won't happen and try to get you to give facts and figures for something that has not been finalised and that has not happened.
They know this as well as we do.
Their need to claim the original vote was unfair, which was a direct result of not enough effort to mobilize a remain vote and people's apathy to go to the polls in the first place... Is a problem they just can't own.. So instead after the event all they can do is call us stupid and claim we were ill informed.
Hindsight is such a great thing as now they have all these amazing arguments that had they been put forward before the vote could have... Would have... Should have turned the vote..
I have said from day one it would be no deal, as how do you get 27 countries to agree..
Sometimes it's best to just leave it and wait, rather than wind them up here..
P. S. I bet your like me and just shake your head at the posts on here...

I most certainly shake my heads at some of the posts, but not the same ones, of that I am certain.

Well Mrs8 clearly it is far worse to have people disprove utter nonsense you have typed on an internet forum, than to be mocked for worrying about the supply of medications that could save your loved one's life.

We all have to learn what the real priorities are in Brexitannia for TruPatriots.

Mummmy

What they all wilfully neglect (and mask with histrionics) is that the 2016 vote was a while ago and while they may have ground some down with their constant propaganda, for the most part people STILL aren’t buying what their selling.

My advice would be a little less smugness and arrogance might help their cause.

Oh yes, poor pat and her hayfever meds. Such tragedy

Then of course we get told that Leavers don't come on because they are 'bullied'. It might be of course, that even they get tired of writing drivel.

As the date of withdrawal gets nearer, and with a totally incompetent Government in charge issues like shortages of food and medicines are serious. But it's a better sport mocking people who are worried. They have of course, been set an example, with previous Foreign Secretary whose only achievement when in Office was to ensure that a Mother of a young child still in a Foreign gaol because of his ill informed glib comments.

mummmy2017 the remain campaign at the referendum was a disaster. It was badly thought out, patronising, poorly organised and arrogant. Most Remainers didn't realise people would protest about other issues when voting for Brexit.

There I'm owning that. I don't think many remain supporters actually think it was a good campaign. It was not however, corrupt and it wasn't racist.

Can you own those issues?

Mummmy, the EU27 are in complete agreement wrt Brexit negotiations. We, however, are still trying to negotiate amongst ourselves.

Since the preparations (!) for leaving are costing the country well over £500 million a week, and possibly twice as much as the daft £350 million a week that the government said they will put into the NHS, but strangely after 2 years still haven't, where do think this money will be coming from.
Hint, council services, NHS, Universal Credit for starters.
Then of course there is the 'exit bill' which is around £25 Billion. This is if the UK leaves in March and there is no transition. It goes up by around 10 Billion or so a year for the transition 'cost'. That is around £420 for every man woman and child for the exit and £540 if there is a transition.
As an exercise in thinking, HS2, a 'white elephant' project. With the high paid banking and financial sector jobs leaving London, why does the country 'need' a new expensive trainline to get people to London.
Since 'London' has such disdain for any places 'North or West' who is wanting to get there fast?

I think 10 does a brilliant job in making the case for Remain. His posts are so outrageous that any reasonable lurker can see how ridiculous they are . By putting up fallacious arguments that are easy to knock down and by demonstrating their complete lack of concern for the ill and vulnerable (and worse - he even appears to want ill to befall them ), he doesn't do reasonable Leavers any favours.

Shows that extreme Leavers are rattled.

Long may he go on posting.

I’m not keen on another vote as unconvinced the masses are any more educated about the consequences of the options than they were 2 years ago. Plus any referendum will be preceded again by propaganda and lies from Farage, Johnson, etc.

What I would like to happen is for parliament to say no to whatever crock / no deal May brings back. Then to be honest with people and say we are leaving the EU, but in the only way that will minimise damage to jobs and economy while giving us more freedoms (and spell out what those freedoms are, plus how immigration will be managed), which is EEA. Then there will need to be a long transition to get us there.

The above is a solution that I think the majority (leave or remain) could have got behind from the beginning. May made a colossal mistake with throwing her lot in with the swivel eyed and their stupid unworkable red lines at the beginning of her premiership. Since then everything has been centred around her not wanting to lose face. What a waste of time.

Yup those ‘extreme’ leaver reasons again - sovereignty and immigration

Given that both the sovereignty and immigration arguments have both been comprehensively debunked, knock yourself out repeating them

I can't see May doing a U-turn, partly because it's against her nature, she's started so she'll finish, but because last time she did, it went spectacularly wrong for her. Namely the 2017 election.

Talking of sovereignty 10 where do you stand on pooling sovereignty with the WTO? Should we leave that organisation as well?

10 doesn't answer awkward questions lol!

Sovereignty we ve not lost (and in any case its "lost" to a few other organisations) and immigration will have to continue unabated as we ve a shrinking birth rate and an ageing population, now it will come from the developing world instead.

Think May's "Mobility frame work" and preferential immigration within FTA's

Where as the direction of travel with the EU's FOM is to have further restrictions and being a much more powerful trade bloc, they can resist other countries demands to inc migration in a FTA, we cannot.

You may have genuine concerns but leaving the EU will not give you what you want

May sees all the documents. We don't.
I keep saying this.
If it was jump of the cliff time. With a no deal. All the MPs would be singing your song.
Why is this not happening?

Wto doesn’t seem ‘ever closer union’

You are confusing ‘rules’ with a wish to achieve greater political power.

You do know all this information was out there in 2016 - oh to meet some informed remain voters (not likely on this thread)

10, the UK was exempted from ‘ever closer union’ in Feb 2016.