Trans and third space?

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This is by no means an anti trans thread. I am not anti trans. It could also be an extremely naive question so I apologise in advance if this is in any way offensive, it's not my intention. Would the use of third spaces not solve a lot of issues? So men's, women's and trans bathrooms, men's, women's and trans sporting events etc? Or if it wouldn't solve issues of safe spaces and biological advantages, why not?

Sorry, is a man's belief system any less worthy of tolerance than a woman's?

Depends on the belief. AGP is explicitly male.

Or there could be a third unisex space so we know for sure a male heading into the ladies is up to no good and can challenge them or call security.

Agreed this. It gives women more power to protect themselves.

Surely I'm not the only one here who's been pushed into a toilet cubicle by a man who's then shut the door and sexually assaulted me? I cannot be the only one.

I'm gonna hold my pee in if I spot men there. It would be extremely intimidating for me to walk into the loos to be faced with a couple of AGP playing with lipstick and giving me the "you DARE look".

My son lived as a female (in a very loose sense of the word) until he was 12. He then started transitioning to male and officially started using his male name in Yr 9 .... to the outside world he's a boy and if you didn't know him before his transition period it's highly unlikely you'd ever know any different.

I think females who present as men tend to pass better. Mainly because they get beards and they just look like small men.

However males who try to present as women are often enormous without even wearing heels. Those I have met had huge hands and Adam's apples & masculine-looking features - none of that can be disguised.

Menomum presumably your child still has periods? How does your child dispose of sanitary protection whilst using the men's toilets?

Hi menomum, it would be really interesting for this discussion to know (if you don't mind me asking) whether your DC started using boys' changing and taking part in boys' sports during their transition? Or did they make use of third spaces? My impression is transboys would find the third spaces alternative more attractive as they're transitioning from the more vulnerable and (in the physical sense) weaker sex but I don't want to assume.

catkind I actually agree that there should be unisex loos. I just think that particular scenario isn't very likely.

Surely I'm not the only one here who's been pushed into a toilet cubicle by a man who's then shut the door and sexually assaulted me? I cannot be the only one.

I'm sorry this happened to you but it does show that nasty abusers will find a way regardless of the sign on the door.

TerfedOff -

Yes he still has periods.
He has use of the disabled toilet in school which has provisions for sanitary waste and at home he disposes of them as we would.

He hasn’t been in a situation where he’s had to do this while using public toilets as yet but you raise a good point.

catkind

My son currently uses a separate space to change for games/PE and participates as a male for mixed sex sports - in all honesty this is a relatively new thing for our school and they’ve really gone above and beyond to ensure he doesn’t feel like he doesn’t belong anywhere iykwim?

Do you realise it's not those with gender disphoria who we are afraid of?
The transgender umbrella doesn't only include transsexuals, be fetishes and crossdressers, it's watered down so much that pretty much anybody can be transgender?

Do you realise a lot of transsexuals are worried or are against self ID in its current form?

Your son isn't the problem, but he will be in danger if the GRA reforms are passed.

Your son isn't the problem, but he will be in danger if the GRA reforms are passed.

Oh come on now, stop it. We were all having a very sensible conversation for the most part, without the need to descend into the usual fear-mongering and tribalism. Why start now with the "be afraid, be very afraid!"?

It's not fearmongering is it, what's going to happen when the OPs son shares a tent with a bunch of other boys?

Are we going to pretend his chance of sexual assaults is magically minimised, or are we going to agree it's the same as any girls?

Or should we overlook statistics as fear mongering?

There's a clear safeguarding issue isn't there.

It's not fearmongering is it, what's going to happen when the OPs son shares a tent with a bunch of other boys?

Jesus Christ, what do you think is going to happen?? The statistics actually show that it's unlikely anything untoward will happen! That's what makes it fear mongering.

No-one's saying there's nothing in that to consider, but it does not warrant a "your son will be in danger!!" really, does it. I would suggest that that is hyperbole.

Your suggestion is noted.
My point is valid.

What are the stats on Sexual assaults on teenagers rat

How likely is it that boys will take advantage of a girl?
The son in this case has a girls body.

Who here would let their 14 year old girl go camping / sleep over with a bunch of boys?

And why wouldn't you?

The statistics actually show that it's unlikely anything untoward will happen! That's what makes it fear mongering.

No they don't they show the exact opposite. Over 60% of girls subjected to sexual harassment or sexual assault.