To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

[snapnfarter]

I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

It is NOT a game and this is not a point scoring exercise. I realise there are extremes on both sides, which can sometimes obscure the real debate - shame! The shame is people who are happy to throw women’s rights away in order to keep men happy. The joke is the people who come on here spouting about GC women while knowing fuck all about what’s at stake for females and children. You can judge my comments all you like, but this is a big fucking game to the TRAs and they’re prepared to win at ANY cost.

So from these comments it seems to come down to men vs women and because men are stronger and therefore more of a threat.

So how come all those other organisations - ASOS, Lloyds, Barnados etc - in the Metro ad support Stonewall? Considering there is link to Stonewalls website in the ad this implies they support Stonewall’s views? These companies have people across all genders in their organisations - not just men.

This video perhaps helps show why some people won't accept trans women as being female

The wants of a minority should not outweigh the human rights of about 50% of the population. Women have a right to have spaces without a penis there, whether that's toilets, changing rooms, refuges and medical centres.

So from these comments it seems to come down to men vs women and because men are stronger and therefore more of a threat.

At least you have the decency to admit that they’re men.

Happily, there are a lot of organisations and people who are actively supporting trans people. This is a full page ad in the Metro supporting them this week.

If you are one of the people who genuinely feels there is no transphobia on mn then maybe take a look at a thread where, for example, a transwoman is misgendered deliberately time and time again. There was one right here in AIBU yesterday.

It is actually possible to disagree with some aspects of the consultation without being a total asshat towards transpeople in general, but you wouldn't know it from reading in the FWR board.

The misinformation and anti trans propaganda on that board is so normalised the regulars can't see it for what it is any more.

WongaGoneWronga

I agree absolutely with your post.

We can all have different opinions but why some posters need to be so deliberately provocative I just can't understand.

For me, if someone is in the two-year process of living as a woman, it makes sense that they would use the Ladies’ loos.

My reasoning is this - if they are committed to living as a woman, they will be doing their best to pass as female, in terms of clothing, hair style, shaving their face and legs, make up, behaviour etc, and they will want to fly under the radar.

This is a whole lot more effort and commitment than just bunging on a dress, and expecting all the women in the Ladies’ to ignore your beard!

@FekkoTheLawyer

I'm intrigued by the shop assistant - how do you know whether they are identifying as a trans woman, or a man that likes wearing dresses?

Sport did it for me.

Imagine spending the whole of your life training and then be beaten by someone with the physiology of a man.

There's a good measured comment piece in the Guardian that's gives a fair overview of where things are at right now here with toxic behaviour at both extremes of the discussion.

Mumsnet has the dubious honour of hosting a significant chunk of the anti trans movement. I'm not sure it can come back from that position.

In the meantime, the consultation is just that, a consultation, not a set of proposals, not an already decided legal change about to become law, not a free pass for anyone to switch back and forth as they please, not a "perverts charter" or a "paedophile's dream".

If you feel you want to respond to the consultation than that's wonderful, but please do read the document first. If you disagree with changing the process of getting a GRC then say that.

But please please please don't think it's ok to deliberately call transwomen he/him, or call transmen she/her, or make disparaging comments about how they look, or pick holes in their behaviour purely because they are trans.

That's just transphobia, and it's not ok. No matter how many times you see it happen on mn, it's not OK.

Thing about the advert full of organisations supporting trans rights, is that it's been framed as currently trans people do not have the same rights as others. And what organisation would want to be seen to support that apparent inequality.

Except of course, there IS no inequality. Trans people have the same right to housing, marriage, employment etc as anyone else. Their rights are protected by the Equalities Act, as are the rights of gay people, those with disabilities, those of BAME, etc.

But most of those organisations don't have a particular role in lobbying or supporting minorities, they just want to sell their baked beans. So they won't have consulted lawyers or looked into the meaning of trans, or what the current legislative framework is, or motivations of those that approached them. It'll have been their Marketing dept that will have said 'Yay cheap advertising and we'll look good'.

It's pretty meaningless really.

But please please please don't think it's ok to deliberately call transwomen he/him

unless it's Karen White

What's with all the 'snap/fart' usernames on AIBU today?
Just seen one called SnapAndFartAllDayLong on an other thread.

Sounds like some kind of odd fetish.

This thread. Ffs OP I've seen some goady threads but yours takes the biscuit.

You've no idea what you're trying to say. I too am sick of trans activists. Except you didn't mean that. I'm sick of someone telling me #nodebate and I should just accept that

If you truly believe you've been born in the wrong body then sure dress and act however you want. I'll call you by your preferred pronoun, that's no problem. But you're not the opposite sex because of this. You are trans male/female.

That is just a fucking fact. And being able to change your birth cert is bonkers.

@snapnfarter
I have avoided debate about this subject for a long time and have kept signing petitions, writing complaints and my concerns to myself.
I have a very good friend who is trans male. As I can only assume that your issue is referring to self ID females being called males or vice versa, I understand why this could be seen as offensive. I would never call my friend 'her or she' but when talking about biology or how these issues impact people, most specifically women and girls, it is a different matter completely.
I have been a victim of sexual assault. I do not want to be in a bathroom on my own with a male bodied person. And while my eyes might not 'melt out' from seeing a penis I have not consented to seeing, it would affect me and women who have been through similar to me.
I have two DD both children and I do not want them exposed to male genitalia. I do not want them in a changing room or toilet with a male bodied person. I would be furious if they where exposed to in the street. Why would I not feel the same if it happened in an even more secluded space with no cameras or security?
Please try to understand that when people feel that their safety is being put at risk they have every right to defend their rights without being called bigots and that just because you have no issue with it, it does not mean no woman should.
Sorry if OP has already amended or replied in response to what she said I haven't RTFT as I too am tired and felt I needed to express this anyway.

When you've suffered abuse for most of your life, part of your life, whatever, at the hands of men, when you suffer from massive anxiety at having to be anywhere near them, when you have decisions FORCED on you you about what ex-men want, where they want to go, what they want to do, you have no safe space apart from your own home. What about the rights of women forced to give up their female-only spaces, because that's what ex-men want?

Maursh Wow, that certainly was a chilling exchange/threat being made in the video that you posted.

If you have 40mins, then here is a thought provoking presentation by a professional who doesn't support AMAs stance on the history of "transgenderism"

I agree with you OP.

And also I like to drop these comments like bombs and fuck off so I don’t have to read the drivel of people complaining to me about my own opinion

So on that note, good luck with the rest of the thread, ops you’re feeling brave

@titchy, there was a post earlier from someone whose company is included in support of Stonewall saying there was a consultation meeting on this beforehand at their place of work. Of course this might not be so for all the companies, so who knows - perhaps not just marketing.

@Maursh - yes quite a scary threat in your video link - totally out of order. However, then there’s the tweet from FPFW about them approaching “gangs of lads” to get their support. This also sounds scary. There are extremes on both sides.

I like the Guardian link and mostly agree with that. There should be more constructive exchange.

@SonetLumiere I didn’t say I was sure. if you have before and after stats mentioning the increase in attacks etc after any of the countries passed their GRA - not just individual cases - alors, vas-y