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To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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snapnfarter · 17/10/2018 16:40

I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

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SonEtLumiere · 17/10/2018 22:03

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noeffingidea · 17/10/2018 22:05

HIVpos the FPFW were handing out leaflets concerning a government consultation. In what way is that scary or extreme?

thenightsky · 17/10/2018 22:08

agirlhasnonameX Excellent post.

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:08

I'm not on the side of females, no. I'm on the side of human beings

This comment, right here, in just 15 words sums up exactly why people like the OP are dangerous. Woman don't count as human beings. That's the be all and end all. We should just STFU and put up with the penis lea in our safe space because heaven forbid we upset men. I massively judge anyone who is so dim they can't see just how regressive this is. I could weep for the women who lost their lives fighting for women's rights and for the freedom of our generation, only for a whole cohort of people to happily let women roll over and not only give up their safety and privacy to men, but see it as a good thing. WTAF.

IAmAllAsttonishnent · 17/10/2018 22:09

It should be black and white. If you have a penis you should not be allowed to use female bathrooms/ changing rooms. As a female who has been sexually assaulted I am uncomfortable with that and it should not be forced upon me. Post op (no penis) no problem.

I do however think that a ‘gender neutral’ option should be mandatory and provided everywhere that male/ female are.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 22:11

he anti trans movement.

There is no anti trans movement

noeffingidea · 17/10/2018 22:12

Gunpowder yes exactly, got the exact same thing on a thread about Karen White. Apparently human rights mean that males shouldn't be deprived of being able to ogle women in the shower whenever they feel like it. Women's basic human rights of bodily autonomy just don't exist.

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:12

Also as a victim of sexual abuse I DO NOT want to see a penis in safe spaces meant for women. My eyes may not burn out my sockets, but I would be very scared, unsafe and uncomfortable. And I'm not in a minority. I am the one in five women who's experienced sexual assault (though I bet my bottom dollar that number is higher, I don't know a woman who hasn't to be honest). Us one in five deserve better, and we should NOT be collateral damage just so men can be validated for their 'lady feelz'

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:15

You really think a transgender man would go through med school just so he can look at your vagina?

Do one with your gaslighting bullshit. This is a little close to "Do you really think that man would rape you when he can have any woman he wants? Really? Come on now, drama queen".

Women - let's stop putting up with this shit. Fill in the GRA consultation today

Daphne65 · 17/10/2018 22:15

As a mother of a trans ftm son I am appalled by the trans phobia on the site. I am also a feminist BTW yet have no problem accepting trans men or women. I cannot understand why people are so threatened. Trans individuals make up a tiny percentage of the population. They have always existed historically and in some cultures are/were viewed positively. This false hysteria that trans is being pushed on young people and is some kind of oppressive tidal wave that is just typos l scapegoating of minorities. Similar to how the media portrays immigration etc. Trans individuals face horrific discrimination and check out the suicide rates please. It is not a game or a phase its real people facing additional barriers. My son has had to fight for any treatment he has had on the NHS and believe me there has been very very little statutory support. Have some empathy and show some humanity.. Society evolves and people change what is classed as "normal" is socially constructed. Not that long ago we were arresting people for being gay. Difference and diversity is surely not a bad thing. Using extreme examples of violent or predatory trans females is not representative of the trans community these situations are so rare. If you are concerned about violence or sexual aggression or abuse towards women start with heterosexual non trans men as patriarchy is where the real issues lie.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 22:16

It is actually possible to disagree with some aspects of the consultation without being a total asshat towards transpeople in general, but you wouldn't know it from reading in the FWR board

Really?

And what have i said about transpeople that makes me an asshat?

I'm genuinely interested ...i am on the FWR board and for the life of me i cant think of any asshat comments ive made

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:22

Where ARE these leisure centres where people are getting changed in one big communal room together?

I can honestly say I've never been in a same-sex leisure centre or gym that has more than 2 cubicles.

@DonkeyHotei can I ask, why do you think toilets and changing rooms and sports are currently, and have always been sex-segregated?

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:22

Oops bold fail

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Livingtothefull · 17/10/2018 22:25

'Sport did it for me.

Imagine spending the whole of your life training and then be beaten by someone with the physiology of a man.'

Agree with this.

What if a non-disabled athlete decided to compete in the Paralympics on the basis s/he 'self-identified' as disabled? How is this any different?

Or maybe I could send my 8 year old nephew to 'self identify' as an 18 year old and go to the off licence to buy booze and cigarettes?

I am all for accepting people for what they are and I support the rights of all people including transsexuals to live their lives in peace and without fear. I believe people should be accepted for what they are. But transwomen are not women and I am not prepared to accept them for what they are not. I am not prepared to accept that their rights trump the rights of all women. Especially not when the rights of women to their safe spaces are at risk.

There is no equality for women and there never has been. Every concession and limited privilege we have has been hard fought for against opposition by men. Even things like women's public toilets didn't exist at one time (to keep women chained to the home): www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/05/trans-rights-should-not-come-at-the-cost-of-womens-fragile-gains

I am really sad about what is happening because it feels as though everything that women have fought for is being put at risk and that yet again we are being bullied into accepting the unacceptable.

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:28

If anyone wants to research more about why the GRA and no self-ID is important look up Posie Parker and Dr Nic Williams. Two of the many brave women sticking their necks out for our rights to be away from men who say they're women, their womanhood usually boiling down to a depressing stereotype like liking dresses

RoboticMary · 17/10/2018 22:30

“If you are concerned about violence or sexual aggression or abuse towards women start with heterosexual non trans men as patriarchy is where the real issues lie.”

So we shouldn’t discuss these issues at all then? Stop deflecting.

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:34

Zoey Tur in that video displays a very typical male threat and it was chilling but I have a very hard time feeling sorry for the POS that is Ben Shapiro - he talks sense on trans issues but his views abortion are dispicable. He is not on the side of women

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TeaEnjoyingRadiantFeminist · 17/10/2018 22:37

The misinformation and anti trans propaganda on that board is so normalised the regulars can't see it for what it is any more.

Tell me the first figure that comes to most people's head when asked how many trans tennis commit suicide in the UK, look up the actual figures released from official research, and then read your quote back. This board is not the place spreading false truths and propaganda.

flashbac · 17/10/2018 22:40

It's pretty simple really. If the definition of woman is changed to include male-bodied people then all the rules and regulations that are there to protect females and ensure we have a voice in society become meaningless.

We've already seen it with male-bodied athletes ruining women's sports (unfair advantage, lungs are bigger, musculature etc) and male-bodied people taking women's places on all-female shortlists and winning awards for women etc.

It might not affect you now but it will.

GunpowderGelatine · 17/10/2018 22:41

I do wish those on the 'trans side' of the debate would actually engage in discussion and debate or use facts rather than just coming on and tutting about how awful everyone on MN is. I've asked a few times on this site how the 'trans side' think self ID can be successful without harming biological women and girls or taking away their comfort and privacy, and I've also asked them to define 'woman' without using the word 'woman' or a sexist stereotype. Not once, in the dozens of times I've asked this, has anyone so much as attempted an answer. They just pop on and say stuff like "so much bigotry". Which just leads me to believe they don't have an argument or point, and they know it, so they posture about how woke they are instead

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 22:48

Its pissing me right off gunpowder

Im fed up of people coming on here and saying how transphobic we all are

WHEN THEY DONT HANG AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO HEAR ANY FUCKING VIEWS AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE EXPLAINING THEIR IN NO WAY TRANSPHOBIC VIEWS THEY ARE COMPLETELY IGNORED COS THEY DONT FIT IT WITH PLOPPY PLOP PANTS FUCKING AGENDA

PennyArcade · 17/10/2018 22:50

If you are concerned about violence or sexual aggression or abuse towards women start with heterosexual non trans men as patriarchy is where the real issues lie

How do we know whether the person in a suit and tie or dress, with or without a beard, who enters the women's toilet/changing room/shower is a transwomen or a pervert? It makes no difference what a bloke wears or what he looks like... If he says he is a woman we have to accept him/her as a woman. Can't you see how that puts women and girls in danger?

PissedOffWoman · 17/10/2018 23:09

Op one of the huge problems with self id is that if it goes through then people will be afraid to challenge someone declaring that they are a woman when they are in a women only space. They will feel unable to ask to see proof that the person has the right to be there. This is what opens it up to abuse.

This is not about trans people with body dysphoria who need societies acceptance and support. They absolutely must be able to live their lives without discrimination, fear, abuse and intimidation.

There is an enormous, out of control, world-wide problem with child pornography. The majority of who access it are men. The UK police have admitted that they do not have the money and resources to catch and prosecute all of these people accessing child pornography so they are focusing their attention on the ones who are accessing the worst kind, the ones making it and distributing it.

All child pornography involves the sexual abuse of children. Every picture viewed involves an abused child. Every video involves an abused child. The numbers of men accessing this in the UK alone is astronomical. These people are paedophiles.

There are dangerous men who hate women and see them as lesser beings only there for their own sexual, abusive and sadistic gratification. The numbers of girls being sexually assaulted and raped at school is growing.

There is nothing a paedophile will not be willing to do to gain access to their victims. They will spend years grooming parents, organizations and children, gaining trust, respect and obtaining positions of power and control in order to get to what they want. Children.

Criminal psychologists, forensic psychologists, criminologists, prison psychologists, sociologists, social workers, prison wardens, prison officers, etc know this and have spoken out about this and just how dangerous self id will be with these people. They have warned us about this and they are being ignored. Self id is known about and talked about by these people in prison, how they can use it for their own gains. Violent, abusive, terrifying men in prison understand every way to play the system and this is their golden ticket. These are the ones we know about. These are the ones that have been caught. There are thousands that have not. They all know about this.

Self id will remove all the safety measures that are in place and open the door for these people to gain access to vulnerable children and woman. It removes the psychological counselling in place to support those with gender dysphoria (which is essential to help them with their transition) and also is there to find those who are wanting it for nefarious reasons. Abusers will not even have to apply for self id as they will be confident that no-one will question them accessing changing rooms, toilets and places like youth hostels. If self id becomes as simple as filling out a form asserting that you intend to live "as a woman" and paying a small fee then those wishing to access children and vulnerable women will be guaranteed to abuse it. No gatekeeping, no physical changes, no problem.

According to Stonewall's ever growing definition of "trans" you no longer need gender dysphoria. "Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois." This now includes men who are sexually aroused by dressing as women and being perceived as women. Who have no gender dysphoria and have absolutely no desire or intention of taking hormones or having surgery (apart from perhaps breast implant surgery, they will keep their fully functioning penis). We have already had a high profile paedophile using his power and connections to influence the changing of policies and safeguarding procedures. He was under police investigation throughout this, has since been found guilty of raping and torturing a 10 year old child multiple times (and possibly many more victims), while dressed as a little girl, wearing a nappy and calling himself Lucy and has been sent to prison for 22 years. We have had a violent paedophile and rapist incarcerated in a woman's prison where they sexually assaulted 4 women because he claimed to be trans, even though there was vast amounts of evidence that he was not. NUS's first official transgender students officer has been suspended pending investigation for allegedly running a blog in which she took photographs of herself flashing her penis in public places. There are many, many more examples and the list sadly keeps growing.

We know that of the 120 trans (male to female) prisoners almost half of them are sexual abusers. That is way over the statistical norm. We do not know how many of them have body dysphoria and how many are trying to game the system but are not actually trans.

How many attacks on children and woman by men abusing self id will be too many for people to say "wait, this is wrong". For me personally the ones that i have mentioned above are already too many.

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