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To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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snapnfarter · 17/10/2018 16:40

I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

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ferntwist · 18/10/2018 09:10

Well said Erishkigal. This is about safety, privacy and dignity. How come the same men who say they are women want to use our spaces to escape from men, but also support any man identifying into that space? It makes zero sense.

OP your posts have really been ill-informed. I’m surprised you felt so entitled to start such a critical thread on so little knowledge.

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titchy · 18/10/2018 09:11

Genuine transexuals who have a GRC aren't segregated.

Why the need for self-ID when there's a perfectly reasonable process in existence now?

Volant · 18/10/2018 09:24

We wouldn’t accept any other group having their rights to safety and dignity stripped away from them, so whys it ok to do that to women?

What right to safety has been stripped away? Precisely which criminal laws make it a defence that the victim was female?

BrisaOtonal · 18/10/2018 09:25

I was listening to a trans woman the other day on the radio. She fully transitioned 25 years ago and the process was very difficult. You would have thought she would welcome self ID. It was quite the opposite. Her final line was that if you don't fully transition then you are not a woman. It is not only insulting to women, but also those women who wanted it badly enough to put themselves through the process.

Weetabixandshreddies · 18/10/2018 09:29

Genuine transexuals who have a GRC aren't segregated

But see the posts that follow after my last post. These posters make it clear that they do not accept trans woman full stop. Even those with a GRC and so if these posters get their wish trans sexuals will be segregated.

The law accepts that people can transition and are legally accepted and protected. Posters on here appear to be arguing that this shouldn't be the case. That they will never accept the rights of trans gender people to live as their chosen sex.

I absolutely do not agree with this.

OpinionCat · 18/10/2018 09:30

“We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes”

But, the difference is, people dont choose to be black/white/asian, disabled etc. so yes it would be preposterous to segregate people by colour or physical ability as they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt with.

Gender Dysphoria is not a recognized mental health disorder, so they shouldn't be treated like they have a disorder (disabled) if they did, then there would be outcry, wouldn't there?

Im all for living how you want, but come on, if i woke up tomorrow and said i genuinely believed i was supposed to be born as a lamp, you would call me fucking crazy

Ereshkigal · 18/10/2018 09:31

What right to safety has been stripped away? Precisely which criminal laws make it a defence that the victim was female?

Don't be disingenuous. You know the right being referred to is robust safeguarding.

Weetabixandshreddies · 18/10/2018 09:33

But gender dysphoria is accepted. By drs, by the law.

It could be argued that those affected don't choose it. I don't know, I have not experienced it but while it is legally and medically accepted I will also accept it.

Ereshkigal · 18/10/2018 09:33

I absolutely do not agree with this.

And you have your view, and other people have theirs. Third spaces. You even said it yourself. It's the only fair solution. My consent is not within your gift. A no trumps a yes.

Ereshkigal · 18/10/2018 09:35

But gender dysphoria is accepted. By drs, by the law.

It's accepted by me. It's a serious psychological condition. What it doesn't mean, is that a man is a woman.

madcatladyforever · 18/10/2018 09:37

I'm fine with the fully transitioned it's the hulking men/women in my space I object to. Recently I came out of a womens changing cubicle in my bra and pants (I am over 50 and overweight) to ask the staff member if she could get me a bigger size dress and there was a hulking great bloke in a dress sitting there in a chair waiting for his friend, he had a 5 o clock shadow, a huge adams apple, he was well over 6 feet tall with hairy hands. I really do object to that, it was bad enough for me but you know I have a thick skin but if that had been my teenage daughter in the same position I would have been outraged. I won't tolerate untransitioned men in my space where I could be in my underwear or naked.

Avegemitesandwich · 18/10/2018 09:38

“We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes”

But we do. We segregate men and women in certain situations because a minority of men do commit crimes. And everyone is OK with that.

What I want to know (and what I have never heard an answer to) is at what point do transwomen come out of that risk category of 'male' and enter the category of 'woman'? What are the criteria?

Ereshkigal · 18/10/2018 09:39

What I want to know (and what I have never heard an answer to) is at what point do transwomen come out of that risk category of 'male' and enter the category of 'woman'? What are the criteria?

This. Bated breath for an answer.

Avegemitesandwich · 18/10/2018 09:40

But gender dysphoria is accepted. By drs, by the law.

Gender dysphoria is a mental health condition where people are deeply uncomfortable with their sexed body and may have therapy, surgery, hormones and 'live as the opposite sex' (whatever that means) in order to try and alleviate this discomfort.

It does not mean that you can actually become the opposite sex and it never has.

Weetabixandshreddies · 18/10/2018 09:41

But, the difference is, people dont choose to be black/white/asian, disabled etc. so yes it would be preposterous to segregate people by colour or physical ability as they are dealing with the cards they have been dealt with.

But some people within these groups do choose to engage in criminal activity. Where I live this is a massive problem. Street robbery is committed in the vast majority of cases by people belonging to one ethnic group. It is so bad that many people are worried to go out. A local college is on lock down and students are not allowed out during the day because so many have been mugged by this gang. Would you support control of everyone in the locality who belongs to this ethnic group being segregated? I would hope that you wouldn't but why not? How is this different? Many people here, including a whole college, are having their rights curtailed because of a small number of thugs. Please explain to me why you see this differently.

titchy · 18/10/2018 09:43

Posters on here appear to be arguing that this shouldn't be the case. That they will never accept the rights of trans gender people to live as their chosen sex.

No you misunderstand. Whilst I can't speak for MN as a whole, from what I've seen, the vast majority were willing to accommodate what we often refer to as old-school transexuals. The Hayley Cropper types. Those with a GRC, who have gone through the process, fully engaged with it, and are aware of the impact their presence has on biological women. We offered to share our spaces as a polite courtesy, and were afforded the same courtesy back.

Now however, those transexuals are the minority of what is a much broader brush of transgender, who as a group now include fetishists, those with AGP, drag queens, and violent men labelling themselves as trans in order to abuse.

And it's that much larger group that I and the majority on MN do not want anywhere near us when we are in vulnerable situations.

Sadly Hayley Cropper et al may no longer be afforded the courtesy they once were, because we cannot tell them apart under self-ID, but TRAs don't really care about them any more than they care about women.

Avegemitesandwich · 18/10/2018 09:43

But some people within these groups do choose to engage in criminal activity. Where I live this is a massive problem. Street robbery is committed in the vast majority of cases by people belonging to one ethnic group. It is so bad that many people are worried to go out. A local college is on lock down and students are not allowed out during the day because so many have been mugged by this gang. Would you support control of everyone in the locality who belongs to this ethnic group being segregated?

What is the sex of the vast majority of the people carrying out these crimes?

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/10/2018 09:43

Rufus, you've been Humped

I missed this Grin

(note to self...optician is not lying and trying to upset you when he says you are getting old and need glasses....second note to self...find new optician as the original one seems to have disappeared under suspicious circumstances)

Avegemitesandwich · 18/10/2018 09:45

What titchy just said.

McTufty · 18/10/2018 09:45

@weetabix I understand what you’re saying but we quite rightly don’t have race segregated spaces in the first place. We DO have sex segregated spaces. It is a completely flawed analogy.

Your argument is an argument against sex segregated spaces at all.

Ereshkigal · 18/10/2018 09:46

Your argument is an argument against sex segregated spaces at all.

THIS. It's sophistry.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/10/2018 09:46

but essentially your defence is that not all FWR posters are like that.

Well yeah....that is completely my only defence

But its some FWR posts...or most, most is ok

Humped is always a funny word

Weetabixandshreddies · 18/10/2018 09:47

You might say that people can never change sex.

But the law says that anyone with a GRC will be accepted as having changed sex. They will have the same rights as their chosen sex. I don't see how you can then legally choose not to allow them those rights. That surely would be seen as discrimination based on a protected characteristic.

Please explain to me how your version of the world would work? A trans woman who transitioned fully years ago in your world now has to use the men's toilet? They have to publicly announce their status, that they are different, everytime they go to the toilet?

Would you accept this about yourself? Would you accept having to tell everyone you work with about a personal medical condition? Every single day?

justwantcheesee · 18/10/2018 09:48

Op I completely agree with you and just can't fathom some of the bigotry on this subject.
The comment about the smear test was just 

Avegemitesandwich · 18/10/2018 09:49

Op I completely agree with you and just can't fathom some of the bigotry on this subject.
The comment about the smear test was just

Which comment about the smear test?

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