To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

Thanks weetabix

No wonder i missed it, too busy trying to figure out why i was an asshat

I just find the GRA and insult to everything women have fought for over the centuries, that a an intact biological man is allowed in every part of the Female arena. Sourbquet highlighted the Female pond in Hampstead, biological men who identify as women are permitted into it, but it does not work the other way round. Biological women who identify as men, are not allowed in the Male pond. Women who identified as men, went to the pond, the men complained, and the Police were called to remove them, double standards at play. This GRA only benefits biological men.

There is ZERO reason to take any transperson or transsupporter seriously as they have, given what they are fighting for now, shown their true character. Quite simply, they are either abusers fighting for the right to abuse or too lacking in cognitive capacity to recognize tactics of abuse. I'm all for being kind to the cognitively impaired but not when they are trying to take all my rights away, reduce me to a fetish prop for their amusement and dehumanize me in the process. WHY should I respect anyone who is that bloody unhinged? WHY?

Ohello - a regular on FWR chipping in there with a particularly special bit of anti trans rhetoric.

Rufus when FWR is criticised you often take it personally and defend you posting. I haven't seen you be an asshat, if that helps, and you are, I think, the only FWR regular of whom I could say that.

But, and it's a big but, you spend a lot of time nodding along with the asshats, reading their asshattery, and not calling it out. You are complicit, though I don't imagine for one moment you will see it that way. If you hang out with the asshats and defend the home of asshattery, you are complicit.

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Sorry ignore me, thinking of something else while typing

5 nano seems much better and may well work when it comes in in 2020, though as i said i think muscle mass etc also have a bearing on performance

OC sources confirmed a reduction in maximum testosterone levels from 10 to five nanomoles per litre was “likely” with the release of new scientific findings

Likely being the key word in what I've found, hopefully it is definitely coming in though

everyone just fill in the consultation. We are never going to agree on this as we all have different experiences etc.

For me the issues are sport, and if the legislation goes through then self identifying women will have the same sex protections as me a born women. My employers will be able to employ “women” who don’t need maternity leave or 6 weeks off for a hysterectomy yet still meet the glass ceiling requirements as they will be seen to be employing women. I also will not be able to chose who I want to do my smear. My grandmother could be sharing a hospital ward with “women”.

Ah, the irony of OP calling other people's argument stupid.

You are complicit, though I don't imagine for one moment you will see it that way.

Grow up. Who do you think you are?

Do fill in the consultation which someone above says closes on Friday.
I filled it in last week. I don't think the Government knows the exten to which about half at least of the population (i.e. women) thnk the current law is fine as it is and provides a fair measured way to allow someone to transition and that self declaration is a step too far. Spending 20 mins filling it in even if you do not answer all of the questions and completing it in a calm kind manner (no point in ranting) is going to do a lot of good.

A reminder of where it is www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

I haven't seen you be an asshat, if that helps, and you are, I think, the only FWR regular of whom I could say that.

Rufus, you've been Humped.

My main problem with allowing men to pretend they are women is how ridiculous it is in sports. It's so blatantly unfair that I can't understand how anyone could agree with it. We also have the problem of sex offenders in prisons deciding that they want to pretend to be a woman to get an easy life in a women's prison and be able to Oval the women in the showers and believe me this is happening a lot it's not in significance to those poor women who are trapped in the prison with the sex offenders although obviously nobody really cares about women prisoners. It's also important to old ladies who don't want intimate care from a man in a dress. It's also important to young girls who do not want to have to share toilets at a very embarrassing time of life with boys. The reason we have biological segregation is for privacy dignity and safety of both sexes and as it is impossible for a human being to change sex it makes absolutely no sense to pretend to people that you can change sex. It's the most nonsensical ideology I've ever come across and I cannot believe that intelligent people buy into it.

wonga

Thanks for replying

I have said many many times that there is transphobia and i report...like i do on other boards

I resent posts which generalise about the whole of any board

But you are right i do take it personally when its a general comment...and i do try not to

Im happy with the complicit comment as quite often i dont say anything on the thread, i tend to ignore...or skim read which is worse!

Well not happy obviously...

But i can see where it comes from

When has it been wrong to state the truth. I find the term 'ladydick' very insulting, as women do not have dicks, only biological men. Just says it all really.

How can these Transwomen who want the best of both worlds be taken seriously with their 'ladydick', sounds almost fetish like tbh.

What does Humped mean in that context DAF? You've lost me.

Rufus, I agree completely about generalisations. You are an anomaly in FWR though, swept up in a sea of anti trans posts. When you send the board I see where you're coming from, but essentially your defence is that not all FWR posters are like that.

NAFWRPALT. It's true, but doesn't shift the frame of the point at hand, which is that FWR posts overall are currently transphobic in tone and intent.

I suspect deep down they know that 20 years down the line they will be living as a 'cis man', with 2.6 kids, a labrador and (woman) wife called Mary. They are just having a laugh for now.

I fully accept trans people
I don't accept that trans women are women because I don't identify as a woman. I am a biological woman and want to retain sex as the category in which I belong
I believe that gender expectations harms both boys and girls and we should be breaking down gender roles. Trans ideology reinforces them
I don't believe telling children you can change sex is healthy and I don't believe others should be expected to feed the delusion
It is ridiculous to be accused of transphobia or to be called a bigot for stating facts

I find this whole subject very difficult to balance in my mind.

On the one hand I absolutely see the need to maintain the rights of women to have access to single sex spaces but then on the other I see the very real need to support trans women (and men) to transition into their new lives without stigma. It seems virtually impossible to balance both of these needs and I have no idea how a suitable outcome can be achieved.

A 3rd space seems the best way and yet this will always mark trans gender people as "other" and I find that very troubling. We wouldn't accept that for any other group of people. We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes.

I cannot see any justification for legitimising anyone who wants to cross dress in public for sexual thrills. We wouldn't permit this in any other circumstances so I fail to see how this has even become an issue up for consideration. The same with men who want to dress as a woman for a couple of days at week at work. That's fine. Let anyone wear whatever they want but they cannot then have the rights of the opposite sex conferred upon them.

Anyone who completely commits to living as the opposite sex should then have the same rights as their chosen sex but this has to be as a result of a lengthy and formal process. We accept this in other aspects of our lives. If I want to learn to drive I have to complete a process, culminating in passing a test. This can be very lengthy and expensive but we accept this in order to protect other road users even though it limits the rights of learner drivers to drive unaccompanied.

I don't agree with anyone being abused though and the gratuitous way that some posters here choose to misgender trans women is unacceptable and is actually turning me away from the feminist argument because I just don't want to be part of the group of people who does this.

I just roll my eyes at the ‘transphobia’ claims. I respect transsexuals and feel that they should be protected from abuse. I simply don’t believe that trans identifying people can change sex, therefore men who identify as trans, shouldn’t be permitted into female spaces or in roles that were created for the betterment of women. If protecting women makes me a transphobe, I’ll wear that badge with pride.

This GRA will only ever benefit biological men, and disadvantage women as it is doing. It is like going back 60 years. For example, In the sporting arena, it is more likely to be a transwoman who wins a women's sporting event, a transman, will probably never win a men's sporting event, due to the biological differences in their body make up. So biological women will just be pushed to the side to make way for the men.

Totally Positively PERF, this with bells on.

We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes.

It's not just a matter of risk. Spaces are segregated by sex for reasons of privacy and dignity. You may be ok with sharing female spaces with males. I am not. And no one has the right to consent on my behalf to the removal of my rights to privacy and dignity.

“We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes”

We segregate many sports according to physical characteristics, men / women, flyweight / heavyweight, Olympics / Paralympics.

“We wouldn't accept any other group being segregated because a minority of that group committed crimes”

We wouldn’t accept any other group having their rights to safety and dignity stripped away from them, so whys it ok to do that to women? Why are women fair game?