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To be fed up beyond belief with the trans activists

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snapnfarter · 17/10/2018 16:40

I'm so sick of the bigotry now. Surely these people just want to have a piss in peace without being hassled?
What rights is it exactly that the trans activists are shit scared that women are going to lose out on?
I wish they'd all just be quiet and let others live their lives how they see fit without reprisal or judgement from narrow minded idiots.
I honestly feel that this debate is just a platform for the bigots to congregate to attack a minority because we all know what attaching ethnic minorities, gays, lesbians etc is just not acceptable. How is this any different?

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IKeepFlouncing · 17/10/2018 23:54

Time is running out op for you to be sick of it.

Op if you are a woman remember once the GRA results are announced you either be:

allowed to continue to refer yourself as a woman thanks to all the women and men, who have stood up for you, some having endure death threats, been intimated, list jobs, feared into silence

Or

You will be a ‘ciswoman’ that is your only claim to say you are a woman, u will always be ‘bigot’ you will lose any equal place in society as transactivist will always take priority. List is endless. Here again is

Fair play for women or womens place I’m can help

*Chalkhillblu3

Please all of you fill in the consultation, it is a very boring document, but ranting on here doesn't do a thing.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act-2004

Closes Friday 11pm*

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 17/10/2018 23:57

weetabix

Is it on this thread?

Ive obviously missed it...

HIVpos · 18/10/2018 00:00

The link is working Rufus. Relevant info is five nanomoles per litre of blood. These are also being used as guidelines for other competitions. Also...Levels of testosterone can differ between cisgender women, with many cisgender and intersex women experiencing higher levels of the hormone than their trans counterparts.

Quite an interesting article really. No mention of muscle mass though. I guess it would have to be looked into way more if trans worm were scooping up all the gold medals

PennyArcade · 18/10/2018 00:02

Yes Daphne. The penis is the problem. Which is why it has no place in female only spaces. BTW plenty of women have been raped by male strangers, myself included.

Up until now men are challenged if they are in a female space, thus minimising sexual assault on women and girls. Why maximise the risk by allowing anyone to access female spaces because today they say they feel like Fiona....

Very soon nobody will be able to challenge a bloke in a female space, no matter what his intentions are, because, you know, their feelings may be hurt...

I have great sympathy for people with genuine body dysmorphia, who have had the offending male part removed - it's the penis they hate. I have no problem with a transwoman, without the penis, being in female spaces. The penis is the problem. Always has been, always will be.

Why are the trans community campaigning for transwomen to access female spaces anyway? Why aren't they campaigning for a third space?

It seems transwomen don't feel safe in male only spaces. Yet they have no problem in causing women to feel threatened, embarrassed and uncomfortable.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/10/2018 00:03

I didnt say it wasnt working HIV i just cant look cos i wont accept the cookies

5ml is very interesting,..still a little high but heaps better than the 10mls it was earlier this year...does it say when it changed?

Off to bed now, thanks for your earlier answers though

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/10/2018 00:04

Sorry used mls when it was nano

Weetabixandshreddies · 18/10/2018 00:05

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer

Yes it is. Posted at 22.22

Daphne65 · 18/10/2018 00:05

I was referring to the abuse of women and children in the UK sorry not India etc.
Meanwhile in Scotland some great anti transphobic work in this campaign onescotland.org/campaigns/hate-crime-campaign/

I wonder how many on this thread know, spend time with and are close to transgender men and women. I have never experienced anything but kindness and tolerance from the trans people I know and socialise with. As with racisim integration, exposure and experience has been known to reduce prejudice and fears Smile

HIVpos · 18/10/2018 00:08

Report was 22 April this year and going down in preparation for 2020 Olympics.

I’m sure there are other links with the same amount of detail that you can look at.

HIVpos · 18/10/2018 00:22

Daphne I have no real life experience of actually knowing anyone who is transgender, which is why I have been trying to understand things from all sides.

paffuto · 18/10/2018 00:24

Still some selfish, hard of understanding people about, I see? I wonder who the collateral damage victims will be? Maybe Daphne65 son will be one of them (if he still uses the ladies). I wonder how many collateral damage victims there will be? Only a small number going by some of the posters on here. That's ok then, we can tell their relatives that can't we? Sorry mate that your daughter/wife was assaulted by a pervert pretending to be trans but there's only a few hundred victims you know. Bad luck old mate.

ohello · 18/10/2018 00:33

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Daphne65 · 18/10/2018 00:45

**paffuto
"Maybe Daphne65 son will be one of them (if he still uses the ladies)."
Well given he is an adult male why would he use the ladies?

ohello · 18/10/2018 00:51

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categed · 18/10/2018 00:52

What is a woman or a man?
What defines them and seperates them from each other?
Is it a feeling, a way of dressing or hormones or chromosomes?
I don't know but surely everyone needs to be part of the discussion to define this before we move forward. Otherwise we risk the identity of a group of people who are still,in many countries, second class citizans who don't have rights, who are abused daily and have no voice. So before we as a world sign away their voice their needs to be a whole lot of discussion over what a female or woman is and what,if any the impact of changing this will have on others. Sport has been an eye opener for many, myself included. Sometimes equality isn't fair and their needs to be equity to balance an unfair situation.

Sidelook · 18/10/2018 00:55

I’m fed up beyond belief that as a women, that in the trans community. I am labelled as being CIS. I am a women, proud of it. Why am I being made to feel a certain way because I identify with my sex by being labelled!! I’m not a CIS, I’m not a bigot and I’m certainly not transphobic! Im fed up with attitudes like yours op! I’m fed up that a local senior school has refurbed the toilets and made them unisex. I’m fed up that slowly but surely the word women will be allowed to be eradicated. I’m fed up that anyone who questions issues surrounding transgender is immediately labelled a bigot.
It is not being bigoted wanting to enter into an adult debate.
Surely these people just want to have a piss in piece without being hassled. Ok, so why bulldoze over everyone else’s legitimate views, feelings and issues with this, op?

paffuto · 18/10/2018 01:07

Daphne65. Well given he is an adult male why would he use the ladies? I'm alright Jack, my son won't be one of the collateral damage because he'll be in the men's.

PennyArcade · 18/10/2018 01:12

What is a woman or a man?
What defines them and seperates them from each other?

A man has a penis. A woman has a foof. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just simple human biology.

paffuto · 18/10/2018 01:14

Anyone who is afraid or angry that it's going to become easy for sexual predators to fake trans, are bigots and transphobes? Hard of thinking.......duh!!

ohello · 18/10/2018 01:19

For me, if someone is in the two-year process of living as a woman, it makes sense that they would use the Ladies’ loos.

My reasoning is this - if they are committed to living as a woman, they will be doing their best to pass as female, in terms of clothing, hair style, shaving their face and legs, make up, behaviour etc, and they will want to fly under the radar.

This is a whole lot more effort and commitment than just bunging on a dress, and expecting all the women in the Ladies’ to ignore your beard!

There's still a major problem with that. Let's say creepy charlie wants to get his perv on this weekend and he's got money to blow. So he goes to a dentist, gets the all important note that he's about to start "a two year stint" living as a woman.

He's now entitled to stroll into any women-only space with a full beard and his dick hanging out, and then go back to being a dood on Monday. I understand that most people desperately want to believe that no man is that pervy but... unfortunately they do exist. The law needs to deal with this.

And also consider the average "transitioning male bodied person". Most of them don't ever pass, ever, and the ones that do, it takes years. So, women and girls are still expected to tolerate men who look exactly men, and we're still not allowed to tell them to leave. Why would you groom a little girl into accepting that sometimes she needs to look at random penises?

Transpeople need to use a third space, all the time. There is just no reason compelling enough to force every woman and girl to accept peoplewithpenises when we are vulnerable and/or disrobing. They are biologically male, that will never change, and they need to give up the idea that they are entitled to even an inch of our rights and our space.

lovetherisingsun · 18/10/2018 06:54

"As a mother of a trans ftm son I am appalled by the trans phobia on the site"

I have yet to see anyone on this site saying anything about transmen. I do see however a lot of anger and resentment towards transwomen, ESPECIALLY those keeping their penis. The Gender Identity Research and Education Service (GIRES, a transgender lobby organisation) state - "Contrary to public perception the overwhelming majority of male-born transgender people retain their penis and are fully male-bodied".

Richard Garside, for the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies, wrote; "Highly vulnerable, often traumatised, prisoners are the rule, not the exception, in women's prisons. Many have faced male sexual violence and exploitation.

Consider what it must be like for women who have experienced male violence to have males imprisoned alongside them.

While male prisoners asserting a female gender identity should not be sent to women's prisons, the Prison Service needs to give serious thought to transgender wings or other facilities where they can live out their identity in a more comfortable environment than is likely to be the case in a conventional male prison.

My concern about the current approach is that it is appears to privilege the subjective feelings of particular, largely male, prisoners, at the expense of the needs of those prisoners, largely women, who have to live with the decisions imposed upon them.

Not unreasonably, many feel that the needs and interests of female prisoners are being ignored or devalued"

This, obviously, is in regards to prisons, but can be applied to the many, many women and girls who have experienced violence and abuse at the hands on men. Why should abused women's feelings and needs be ignored? Why are their human rights to feel safe less important?

This doesn't even start on sports and how transgender women have a huge physical advantage over women and girls when competing. www.livescience.com/59289-why-men-run-faster-than-women.html , for those who need to see why male bodies have an advantage. Women's need and rights have always historically been superseded by those of men. What men want, goes. What men need, goes. There is, understandably, a huge amount of frustration and anger surrounding this.

Elephantinacravat · 18/10/2018 07:33

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anyone campaigning for the erosion of single sex spaces through self id, and that includes the 'it's not even going to make a difference to women you know, you bigot'' brigade, should be viewed with caution. Why would anyone want to erode safeguarding rules and womens protections?

OpinionCat · 18/10/2018 07:42

Gender dysphoria is one hell of a condition.

One wonders why we are putting our women at risk to make them more comfortable.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/10/2018 07:43

For me people can be who they want, it is a free world and on an individual basis I have no problem with that. What I am concerned about is due to this GRA, women's voices and rights are being gradually erroded. The filtering of men, in women's areas, they are not necessarily genuine Transsexual people who have body dysmorphia, but those who are Ben one day, and Kaitlyn the next. We are seeing this more so: the man who cross dresses occassionally, won top 100 place of women executive, a male sexual offender (Karen White) guising as a women to gain access to women's prison so that they can further assault women, a transman winning a women's world champion cycle race, desipite an obvious advantage of having a larger and more muscular and stronger body. Any women who speaks up about their concerns, are called bigots or transphobic, when that is not the case. This will continue to happen with GRA, women have a right to be heard and to have their concerns voiced.

We see this more with transwomen, than transmen, which is continuing misogny.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 18/10/2018 07:46

he latest (2018) rules have toughened up even more in halving the amount of testosterone allowed for trans women. So interestingly there are restrictions in place

I will certainly have a look for that report HIV

But from your later post it sounds like its not coming in til 2020

Current rules seem to say 10 which no female gets anywhere near...hence my confusion

5 is at least a step in the right direction, though around 4 sounds like it would be better

Although height, muscle, pelvis shape etc is also supposed to be a big factor

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