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To not have my sister as Bridesmaid?

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jojo2232 · 16/10/2018 16:33

Pretty new here so forgive me if I don’t get the lingo right!
Tricky one, long one so bare with me.

My DM is insisting my little sister is a bridesmaid at my wedding – she absolutely has to and I’m a monster and a shit sister if I don’t have her etc. It got really heated, she’s said some horrible things to try and guilt trip me in to doing this but here’s the reasons I don’t want her to be, and please read past the next line.

My DS is autistic. I love her and one on one we get on very well and have had lovely trips to London, Dublin etc just the two of us.
However, when it comes to being with lots of other people, mainly family, her behaviour towards me changes. This is learned and associated behaviour with my mother. She copies lots of things and sadly she spent most of my life watching my mum shout at me, say horrible things to me, and continually be very negative about me when I’m there and when I’m not. I officially moved to a city a few hours away at 16 after spending a couple of years staying over at friends whilst essentially being homeless. Thus, this is how my sister treats me when she is around me and other family members. She struggles in any situation really where she isn’t getting one on one attention, and that’s fine, I love spending time with her one on one. However, come my wedding day, I won’t be able to do that.
When I’m around family, my sister repeatedly shouts at me a bunch of stuff but there are a couple of lines that are consistent – ‘don’t laugh at me jo’ ‘don’t laugh’ ‘stop talking’ ‘stop annoying me jo’ ‘ you’re not allowed to drink tonight’ ‘I don’t like it when everyone drinks’
So on and so forth. It may seem hard to believe, but all of the above, is often when I’m sat minding my own business, not making eye contact with her, not smiling, not laughing etc – I often sit this way, eyes down, not talking to anyone etc to avoid upsetting her/being shouted at. You may think, oh don’t be so insensitive, she’s autistic, she can’t help it etc . I get that. However, having to sit through entire family meals where I cannot say a word, or laugh without getting told off and often being told off anyway, it takes it’s toll. My partner was completely shocked and very upset the first time he witnessed this. My sister inlaw took me to the side and asked why everyone treats me this way and since then my brother has been a lot nicer to me – I think she had a word – that particular occasion, I lost it and said Jem, I’m not laughing at you or at all, please leave me alone – to which everyone jumped on my back for getting on to my sister, despite me putting up with jibes politely for an hour whilst no one said anything to her about it.
She has negative connotations with alcohol because my dad likes a drink and can be a bit loud, and my mum makes a big thing out of it, which results in stressing my sister out more than is necessary.
You see the above may not seem all that bad, but here’s how I see my wedding day going.
Get ready with my bridesmaids, have some prosecco for the nerves. Fine, lovely time.
If my sister’s there, get told off for drinking, get told I’m making her upset because we are drinking, get told off for smiling, get told off for laughing – all of the while this is upsetting her. This will go on for a lot of the day, as obviously a lot of the day is spent with bridesmaids etc.
So my issue is NEITHER of us will enjoy the day. I won’t be able to give her one on one attention as there will be lots of other things to think about on the day. All of my favourite people in one room, so lots of people to chat to.
Whereas, if she is with my DM or DB etc… they can focus on her and make sure she is enjoying the day, she gets on really well with my brother (she wasn’t a bridesmaid at his wedding though, despite the fact she spends significantly more time with my brother and his wife – my mum worships the ground he and his wife walk on, always has and thus any decisions they made for their wedding were not questioned) and thus she will enjoy her day more and I’ll at least have one less worry of someone enjoying themselves and be left to do as I please without being told off throughout the day?
I’ve explained all of the above to my M but she still says I am unfair and being horrible to exclude my sister in this way. She will probably never get asked to be a bridesmaid now etc etc…
I’d like to ask my younger cousin (8) to be a flower girl but my mum says that is even more disrespectful to my sister. I am very close with my younger cousin, I’ve been an au pair for her since she was young, and I see her once a month or so and we have a very lovely bond.

AIBU?!!?!?!

OP posts:
jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:31

@Italiangreyhound it's true. I've been trying to keep the peace I guess and actually perhaps now I take a stand for myself.

Definitely as life goes on I think it will be easier to cut off my relationship with her but going back to your previous point of when we have children, that scares me. I honestly don't have any clue how we'll cope with that. She doesn't visit me currently, but I imagine she'd want to visit if there's gc!

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:32

"If I do respond, everyone jumps on my back." Do you know the term 'whipping boy,? I think this is who you are for your family.

Your sister cannot necessarily help her responses so I might say to myself. If things are fine when it's just me and sis, we will do things like that. But I won't be with sister and wider family or I will remove myself at first sign of trouble.

Your sister may feel hurt but her being allowed to hurt you is worse for both of you IMHO.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:34

"The rare occasions that any one else has been in the firing line, everyone's response is quite different... She might get told off and whereas with me, she knows it's a safe bet, I won't say anything, and no one will tell her off."

You are like the reversal of the golden child here, aren't you? A psychologist could probably yell you why this is.

If there are just two girls in your immediate family, one with autism and one not my guess would be in some strange way you are bring made to pay for being the girl who doesn't have autism.

But I am not s psychologist and have no idea why your whole family would act like this.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:36

lubeybooby why should the OP have someone who doesn't want yo be a bridesmaid and will be abusive to her in that position to placate a mum who has abused her!

Other family members or a friend should be responsible all day for ensuring the sister does not get stressed.

This could include:
-sitting at the back of church and not walking down the aisle because it would be less stressful for bride and sister.

-not getting ready with other bridesmaids because it would be less stressful for bride and sister
-not sitting at the top table ( frankly there is no way I'd have your mum at top table either, I'd do table for me and new hubby (USA style I think) and cafe style round tables of 8 or 20 for all other guests. Then sis would sit with friend or family because it would be less stressful for bride and sister.

jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:39

@lubeybooby if she isn't nearby me, but perhaps with someone who is giving her one on one attention, her behaviour might be ok. there will be ups and downs of course but not as much as if she is spending the day with me and my bridesmaids who she doesn't know well, she'll need attention from me that I might not always be able to give.
I guess my point is if she is getting ready in a quiet environment - with my mum, rather than a bunch of loud girls laughing and drinking prosecco - this will be a better start to her day. I'll also get to enjoy some time with my friends.

Same with the dinner, she can be on a table with people who are more able to give one on one attention and able to focus on keeping her calm - there are some people that she responds better to than others in these situations and I'm not one of those sadly.

I do get your point though, there will definitely be times in the day when she shouts at me, I know that. I'm just trying to reduce these times and wanted to know if that was unreasonable to want to be shouted at less for one day.

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:41

"...but going back to your previous point of when we have children, that scares me. I honestly don't have any clue how we'll cope with that. She doesn't visit me currently, but I imagine she'd want to visit if there's gc!"

I am mum to two kids. One with autism(birth child) and one adopted. O love them both to buts and their safety and nurture is my top priority.

When the time comes I hope you will either have trap ed yoir mum how to act normal around you (whatever she feels) it you will have cut her out of your life. No one needs a toxic Harper in their lives. Please get counselling.

How long until the wedding?

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:43

"... and wanted to know if that was unreasonable to want to be shouted at less for one day."

Please tell me you know noe it is ok to out yourself first? Flowers

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:44

trained not trap ed your mum!!!

shelly0 · 17/10/2018 10:48

@jojo2232 it's YOUR wedding which means YOU can choose your bridesmaids, I honestly can't stand people who feel the need to tell you what you should and shouldn't do on your wedding day. I was say I'm not having her as a bridemaids because I don't want to now shut up about it x

jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:49

@Italiangreyhound I just google'd whipping boy and wow that is so accurate!

I seen a lot of counsellors/psychologists which mostly was helpful until my mum became involved and claimed she didn't understand why I would choose to hurt her by choosing to have eating/anxiety issues when I can see someone like my sister who can't help her issues.

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jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:55

@Italiangreyhound booked for next summer, we might have to delay until 2020 for some medical reasons, but i really don't think I could bare that so I'm praying we don't have to!
I'm trying to put myself first, but it is a foreign concept that I find difficult! ha

@shelly0 thanks, I honestly can't believe I thought for a minute people wouldn't try and tell me what to do... xxx

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 11:00

"I seen a lot of counsellors/psychologists which mostly was helpful until my mum became involved and claimed she didn't understand why I would choose to hurt her by choosing to have eating/anxiety issues when I can see someone like my sister who can't help her issues."

Please never have counselling again with someone who abuses you.

How old are you, roughly?

Please cut your mum loose.

Maybe you need to do it very gradually over a period of time. After the wedding just cut the apron strings.

The answer to your mum's question is another question... "Why have you treated me like shit and even now choose to minimise my pain?

But I think the reality is you do not need an answer. Your answer is in your own hands.

Like Dorothy at the end of the Wizard of Oz - you are wearing the red slippers, you can walk away any time.

Once you realise your life with your husband is your future and the abuse of your past, is your past at least part of the spell is broken.

You will have a bright future but you need to protect yourself - your mum has failed to protect you. Sad

I am not a physiologist!

Please weight every thing I have said and if anything does not ring true for you, ignore me.

I have an eating disorder and OCD so I have had a lot of counselling.

I'm aLao a big believer in the power of positive thought and I hate to see others abused.

I won't waste my breath going into whether your mum could help it or not but ultimately what are you going to do now?

Be controlled by a bully or find yoir own way forward?

Your wedding day is the tip of a very big iceburg IMHO. In your (ruby) shoes I'd get professional help to move forward. Smile

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 11:07

'booked for next summer, we might have to delay until 2020'. Distance your mum before the big day. Please get advice.

Do you both want a big wedding? Why the wait? You are already stressing and it is what 8 or 9 months away!

Work towards being harpie free! If it all gets too much - elope (with those people you want there) and then have a big informal party.

These are just ideas You do what you and hubby-to-want.

If I'm totally honest, I'd drastically cut contact from now on but do get advice.

I must get on now but will check in later. You sound lovely and I sincerely hope and pray (I'm a pray-er too) that you and hubby's day is what you want. Smile

ICantFindAFreeNickName2 · 17/10/2018 11:08

To be honest it sounds like of lot of the things that you are concerned about could happen whether or not she is a bridesmaid, so I think you need to think about how much you really want her there.
In your position, I think I would ask her to be a bridesmaid, but on my terms. She would get the same dress etc as the others but would not get ready or travel to the venue with you & the other bridesmaids. She could walk down the aisle (if she wanted) but would then go outside with someone to have the special job of welcoming any late arrivals or getting the confetti ready etc. Her and the flower girl would not sit at the top table, put them with people that your sister gets on with. Maybe get someone to take her back to her home before the evening really gets going. Actually is there anyone from the home who would be prepared to attend the wedding for a small payment. They might be the best people to look after your sister during the day.

Gemini69 · 17/10/2018 11:52

I feel heart sorry for your situation OP... you're a bloody Saint enduring this bullshit for so so long lovely Halo

Please please ... as everyone has advised... do not let your Mother dominate and ruin your one special day Flowers

SuperLambBananas · 17/10/2018 12:22

I thinks it's perfectly acceptable for you to have a special day for yourself, without being abused! Anybody who thinks otherwise shouldn't be at your wedding to be honest.

If she is bridesmaid, and ruins it, it doesn't sound like that will help matters anyway. If she isn't, and there's drama...well they don't treat you well anyway so you'll have at least had a lovely day!

Being autistic isn't an excuse for being a dick anyway, if she's only like this with you, and only when others are around, it's not autism. I get that it's learned from your mother, but then let your mother deal with the consequences. She should have put a stop to this decades ago.

If I were you I'd only invite your brother and SIL, and have your little cousin as flower girl. It's only important to have family at weddings because your happiness is important to your family, your family don't seem too bothered about your happiness! You'll have a lovely new husband, all your friends and his family to celebrate with.

Whatever you decide, congratulations, I hope you have a great day :)

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 12:40

SuperLambBananas lovely post.

HyggeHeart · 17/10/2018 12:50

your sil sounds nice. I would have a word with her and see if she can get your brother onside to help/manage your sister during the day.

Your could sister be a bridesmaid in name (and dress!) but be kept separate from you for the pre-wedding shenanigans and service. They could provide the one-on-one attention for her and you can enjoy your day.

SaucyJack · 17/10/2018 12:52

YANBU. Irrelevant of whether it’s innate due to her autism, or learned behaviour from your Mother- it sounds very much as tho your sister won’t cope with being a bridesmaid if your attention is (quite reasonably) focused on your marriage, rather than soothing her anxieties.

Your Mother is being unfair to you both by trying to insist on it to try and uphold the image of the perfect family.

BrisaOtonal · 17/10/2018 14:43

Its not too late to go overseas and do it if you are considering delaying it till 2020. That way no one can spoil it.

Quite frankly, if I was your DH, once I was married to you I would tell your family to STFU every time they laid into you without reason. I also wouldn't sit there and let your Dsis use you as her verbal punch bag.

woolduvet · 17/10/2018 15:00

When you talk your mum, make it all about your sisters feelings.
I don't want her to feel stressed when we're laughing etc.
But no I wouldn't have her with you pre wedding.
I like the idea of her wearing the dress and doing photos etc, but then say with your mum in the church and at the meal.

jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 17:17

@Gemini69 thank you!

@SuperLambBananas thank you, I agree with Italian... lovely post! I fortunately have lots of family members who I love and want to be there would feel awful for excluding my mum but if she carries on this way it might be my only choice!

thanks @BrisaOtonal I've been thinking about all of this a lot today and decided I'm definitely going to stand up for myself the next time this all happens... or at the very least if I chicken out, I will walk out! Not that I imagine I can make an ounce of difference. My mum seemed genuinely shocked and surprised when I explained to her after the last family gathering how my sister behaves in these situations towards me, honestly she played so indifferent like she had never noticed... I was quite taken aback by this as it's abundantly clear to everyone else.

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 17:37

JoJo

"I've been thinking about all of this a lot today and decided I'm definitely going to stand up for myself the next time this all happens... or at the very least if I chicken out, I will walk out!"

Walking out is not chickening out, it is saying, no you do not get to treat me his way.

"Not that I imagine I can make an ounce of difference."

That is negative thinking. You need assertiveness training and/or positive thinking and/or counselling.

Imagine if you had a dog that peed on you or nipped you every time you picked it up, would you train it not to or think "I cannot change this"??

"My mum seemed genuinely shocked and surprised when I explained to her after the last family gathering how my sister behaves in these situations towards me, honestly she played so indifferent like she had never noticed... I was quite taken aback by this as it's abundantly clear to everyone else."

Either she is blind to it or stupid or she can convinced herself it is not her problem. Either way, it does not need to be your problem.

Short meetings, easy to leave, no long family dinners, just be ready to go if it becomes uncomfortable.

I cannot say your mum is a narcissist but I can say that this method may work for some of what you are facing but I've not read it all.

Shift everything I say because I am not a professional and if this is not right for you, do not do it!!!

www.aconsciousrethink.com/6158/gray-rock-method-dealing-narcissist/

LavenderBush · 17/10/2018 17:44

Wow, your mum is the real (giant) problem here and I really hope you manage to keep her out of your life in the long term.

She has no right to force her way into your life and that is even more true if you have kids. You will want (and need) to protect them from her toxicity!

So sorry you are having to deal with this. Hopefully your wedding will be a gateway to a life where your birth family no longer gets to bully, guilt trip and dominate you!

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 17:44

Sift everything!

180rule.com/the-gray-rock-method-of-dealing-with-psychopaths/

This is the origin of the idea. I am not necessarily sure your mum fits the pattern but what I do think is that some of this may deflect the drama.

It might work. Long term I think you can manage things with your sister one-to-one and just be not very available to your mum.

Some will say just tell your mum how it is. And that is great if you can do it. But you've had years of your mum allowing your sister to bully you. Because your sister is on the spectrum the lines look blurred. But if you look at the behavior, you will see your mum's beahvour and family behaviour is always that it is OK for you to be the victim of your sisters behavior. How can someone with years of this crap just start being assertinve? It's tough. You need to learn to be assertive.

but you can. Positive thinking may help too. YOU are the most important person in your life. Even if you choose to be kind to others, to love overs, to sacrifice for others. Ultimately you should be in control. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX