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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not have my sister as Bridesmaid?

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jojo2232 · 16/10/2018 16:33

Pretty new here so forgive me if I don’t get the lingo right!
Tricky one, long one so bare with me.

My DM is insisting my little sister is a bridesmaid at my wedding – she absolutely has to and I’m a monster and a shit sister if I don’t have her etc. It got really heated, she’s said some horrible things to try and guilt trip me in to doing this but here’s the reasons I don’t want her to be, and please read past the next line.

My DS is autistic. I love her and one on one we get on very well and have had lovely trips to London, Dublin etc just the two of us.
However, when it comes to being with lots of other people, mainly family, her behaviour towards me changes. This is learned and associated behaviour with my mother. She copies lots of things and sadly she spent most of my life watching my mum shout at me, say horrible things to me, and continually be very negative about me when I’m there and when I’m not. I officially moved to a city a few hours away at 16 after spending a couple of years staying over at friends whilst essentially being homeless. Thus, this is how my sister treats me when she is around me and other family members. She struggles in any situation really where she isn’t getting one on one attention, and that’s fine, I love spending time with her one on one. However, come my wedding day, I won’t be able to do that.
When I’m around family, my sister repeatedly shouts at me a bunch of stuff but there are a couple of lines that are consistent – ‘don’t laugh at me jo’ ‘don’t laugh’ ‘stop talking’ ‘stop annoying me jo’ ‘ you’re not allowed to drink tonight’ ‘I don’t like it when everyone drinks’
So on and so forth. It may seem hard to believe, but all of the above, is often when I’m sat minding my own business, not making eye contact with her, not smiling, not laughing etc – I often sit this way, eyes down, not talking to anyone etc to avoid upsetting her/being shouted at. You may think, oh don’t be so insensitive, she’s autistic, she can’t help it etc . I get that. However, having to sit through entire family meals where I cannot say a word, or laugh without getting told off and often being told off anyway, it takes it’s toll. My partner was completely shocked and very upset the first time he witnessed this. My sister inlaw took me to the side and asked why everyone treats me this way and since then my brother has been a lot nicer to me – I think she had a word – that particular occasion, I lost it and said Jem, I’m not laughing at you or at all, please leave me alone – to which everyone jumped on my back for getting on to my sister, despite me putting up with jibes politely for an hour whilst no one said anything to her about it.
She has negative connotations with alcohol because my dad likes a drink and can be a bit loud, and my mum makes a big thing out of it, which results in stressing my sister out more than is necessary.
You see the above may not seem all that bad, but here’s how I see my wedding day going.
Get ready with my bridesmaids, have some prosecco for the nerves. Fine, lovely time.
If my sister’s there, get told off for drinking, get told I’m making her upset because we are drinking, get told off for smiling, get told off for laughing – all of the while this is upsetting her. This will go on for a lot of the day, as obviously a lot of the day is spent with bridesmaids etc.
So my issue is NEITHER of us will enjoy the day. I won’t be able to give her one on one attention as there will be lots of other things to think about on the day. All of my favourite people in one room, so lots of people to chat to.
Whereas, if she is with my DM or DB etc… they can focus on her and make sure she is enjoying the day, she gets on really well with my brother (she wasn’t a bridesmaid at his wedding though, despite the fact she spends significantly more time with my brother and his wife – my mum worships the ground he and his wife walk on, always has and thus any decisions they made for their wedding were not questioned) and thus she will enjoy her day more and I’ll at least have one less worry of someone enjoying themselves and be left to do as I please without being told off throughout the day?
I’ve explained all of the above to my M but she still says I am unfair and being horrible to exclude my sister in this way. She will probably never get asked to be a bridesmaid now etc etc…
I’d like to ask my younger cousin (8) to be a flower girl but my mum says that is even more disrespectful to my sister. I am very close with my younger cousin, I’ve been an au pair for her since she was young, and I see her once a month or so and we have a very lovely bond.

AIBU?!!?!?!

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PositivelyPERF · 16/10/2018 23:08

Agree with everything you've said however if you don't have your sister you will always be know as the bride who didn't her her sister with autism to be her bridesmaid.

Or have her and be known as the bride whose bridesmaid shouted abuse at her throughout her own wedding day. I know which I’d rather have.

OP, have you considered that having your sister as a bridesmaid, who behaves ‘badly’ on the day is also going to upset your husband to be? I’m sure he and his family don’t want to sit at the top table listening to one of the bridesmaids shouting abuse at the bride. That’s not fair on th either.

BTY, I’m talking as someone with two adult children with SNs, that I would die for, but I sure as hell don’t expect anyone else to put up with their behaviour.

PositivelyPERF · 16/10/2018 23:11

Also. I wonder if it’s more a case if her being bridesmaid means you and the other bridesmaids have to look after her on the day, so your mother can go off and enjoy herself?

TrippingTheVelvet · 16/10/2018 23:55

If your sister's autism is to the point where she is in a facility, would it even occur to her that she wasn't asked? It sounds more like you'd be doing it to keep your -not very nice- mother happy to your sister's, and your own, detriment. It's not fair to stress the two of you out unnecessarily just so it looks better to the public.

Shadow1234 · 17/10/2018 00:16

YANBU - and I dont think your 'soon to be husband' has been
mentioned here yet. We mustn't forget that this is his special day too
and i'm sure he would like to celebrate in a stress-free, happy environment, and would want his 'bride to be' feeling as special and important as she can on her wedding day, with no dramas.

As others have suggested, by all means make your DS feel part of the wedding day, (if you want), but in a role that deflects away from you, so you can feel free and happy to really enjoy your day.

I really hope you can resolve this on your terms, and have the wedding of your dreams.

Good luck!

jade19 · 17/10/2018 00:30

I would say that it's your day and if you don't want her to be then you shouldn't have to her. This day is about you and your partner and this is the one day that you shouldn't have to worry about anything.

Do What is best for you. As hard and harsh as this sounds other people can like it and come or not like it and don't come. Leave the decision to them xx

timeisnotaline · 17/10/2018 00:46

You see the above may not seem all that bad,
Actually it sounds completely horrendous. It’s your and your dps wedding.
You need to say no to bridesmaid, even token bridesmaid as your mother will use that word to continue to pressure you.
You need to say no to just about everything your mother asks you from here till eternity as it’s hard to believe any of it will ever be with your health or happiness in mind. She sounds toxic.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 00:50

jojo2232 this is so hard to read. I am so sorry. You are definitely NOT being unreasonable.

I am afraid that although it must have been very hard for your mum to have an autistic child (I do too, mildly autistic but also a handful at times), she also had other children and one of them was you! I've an NT son and i know sometimes I smooth over things with dd and am stricter with ds because despite being difficult sometimes he is easier than her. This is a wake up call for me!

Now to you, your mum has treated you very badly and allowed the situation with your sister to impact you in a very negative way.

Have you had any counselling for this?

I would seriously consider going low or no contact with your mum.

PLEASE do your wedding your way. It is your big day and your mum is completely in the wrong.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 01:05

Here is what I think I would do re the wedding.

Tell your mum you will make your own choices re your wedding day and walk out next time she starts her shit storm

Decide if your sister can be a bridesmaid 'in name', or not your choice.

For me a bridesmaid 'in name' would be:
-she could be known as one of the bridesmaids
-she could wear a special dress which would be he same or a variation of the other bridesmaids
-she would not be present for Proscecho and getting ready as that would be distressing for her and for you!
-you could assign one of your adult bridesmaids, who knows your sister well, to take care of her for the day.

Or do not ask her to be a bridesmaid but ask her to make or bring or do something special on the day and to be in special photos with just you, or you and dh.

Please do ask your 8-year old niece to be a bridesmaid.

"...when it comes to being with lots of other people, mainly family, her behaviour towards me changes. This is learned and associated behaviour with my mother. She copies lots of things and sadly she spent most of my life watching my mum shout at me, say horrible things to me, and continually be very negative about me when I’m there and when I’m not."

When this wedding is over, please consider very carefully if you want your mum in your life, if you do, fine, your call. But your mum has created an awful lot of sadness in your life (it seems) and I think you really deserve to be free of it. If I have misread the situation and she is basically a loving woman then please do ignore me.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 03:09

PS
I think you should continue the lovely relationship you have with your sister and niece.

If you need to tolerate your mum in order to do this, then of course, that's what I would pick.

But I'd remove myself from my mum any time she started shouting or said anything negative.

Your sister has learned her behaviour from your mum, in time you might just train your mum to less horrible to you if you remove yourself from her when she is.

I'd also be very careful not to expose any children you have to your mum - I'm sorry to say that. Sad

Thanks
Purpleartichoke · 17/10/2018 03:44

Could you give her some other role? Not sure what would be most comfortable for her. A reading, helping seat guests, guest book attendant, handing out programs?

stellabird · 17/10/2018 04:07

Don't have any bridesmaids ?

Eliza9917 · 17/10/2018 06:07

I'd uninvite both mother and sister.

Skittlesandbeer · 17/10/2018 06:39

No doubt the rest of your family & friends will know exactly why your sister isn’t bridesmaid. They’ll have witnessed the crazy dynamic, and your DM’s enabling of her bad behaviour. You have no need to explain yourself.

You are embarking on a new phase of your life now, building your own family. Leave this toxic tradition of being an outcast at your parent’s dinner table behind you. It’s time. They’ll have their reasons for how they treat you & your sister. Ok. You take a firm, calm stand. It isn’t their dinner table now, it’s yours.

Your mother needs help getting the message. This is your new policy, which will be one of many social situations with a new dynamic. She wants to hold onto the old way. Bad luck. Tell her you are an adult, and your relationship with your sister needn’t concern her any more.

Wherearemycarkeys · 17/10/2018 08:03

I would absolutely not allow her to be bridesmaid and I'd seriously consider uninviting my mother if she didn't stop being such a cow about it. To be honest, from what you've written I'd not be inviting my mother anyway, she seems vile and like she treats you awfully.

picklemepopcorn · 17/10/2018 08:23

What other bridesmaids have you asked?

I would try something like 'maids of honour' dress together, bridesmaids and flower girls dress with their families. Only bride, groom and parents on the top table.

That way it won't seem odd for her to be separate from you on the day. It sounds as though DB and SiL will be able to support her on the day.

serbska · 17/10/2018 08:25

Sounds like you might be happier eloping and getting married without any of your family. Your mother sounds awful.

pandarific · 17/10/2018 09:02

You know what will happen. Say no, ask your soon to be DH to back you up and tell your parents why, in small words if necessary.

And don't back down. Thanks for you, that's shit.

jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 09:34

Wow, I have been completely overwhelmed (and quite teary) reading all of these responses. When something becomes your norm, you don't realize how bad it might be. I knew the situation was bad when I lived at home but removing myself from that situation felt like a big move and even though the relationships aren't great, they are much better than when I was in that environment all of the time. I'm from quite a big family and we all meet up for big gatherings often and so it would be quite difficult to cut her out completely to be honest. My DM and I can have nice conversations sometimes but it's very much treading on eggshells.

To answer a couple of questions that keep coming up - honestly no, my sister would not bat an eyelid if she wasn't given a duty on the day however I would like to include her in some way and so thank you all for your suggestions.

A few of you have hit the nail on the head I think when you say it might just be for appearances.
I hadn't considered that but it does make sense. We are from a small town, everyone knows our family and she likes to present the image of perfect happy family all over facebook etc and so this might just be to do with that.

Also @perfectstorm thank you so much! I was with my friend when I read your message last night and we both agreed everyone needs someone like you in their life.

Thanks also to @italiangreyhound some great suggestions - I felt very liberated by moving away from home and having the relationship on my terms - she of course never visits me so it's only when I visit home that I have to see her. My Dad would be very upset if I didn't stay with them and that's the easiest way to spend time with my sister as she tends to come and stay at home when I visit, otherwise visiting her at her facility, times are restricted.

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jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 09:46

@Shadow1234 you are so right, he is very upset by the way my family treat me - possibly more so than I am and it was him that originally made me really think about this as he knows how she behaves in the big family situations. It's not just my day and he definitely won't enjoy it if I'm stressing/being shouted at - I'm used to it but he certainly isn't.

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jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:04

@PositivelyPERF you're not wrong! and I'm glad that's coming from a DM with experience. I'd die for her too, love her and absolutely adore the one on one relationship we have. We have a great time together, she just gets stressed in bigger social situations and that stress is taken out on me. Which is fine, I deal with it but on my wedding day I would definitely just like to enjoy all of my family and friends company for once without being shouted at/scolded for enjoying myself. Just one day. Then normality can resume! I know how selfish that may sound and honestly thought I was just having a major bridezilla moment and was so ready to be told how unreasonable I'm being by everyone but perhaps I'm allowed one day!
Also, the part about her enjoying herself could be true... at my brother's wedding, she had a friend there to keep her company (she was in the string quartet and as everyone in the quartet were family friends, they were invited to stay for the rest of the day, my mum gave that girl some extra cash to look after my sister).
I'm happy for someone to keep my sister company perhaps in the evening, we're pretty tight on numbers and so right now I couldn't necessarily offer a whole 'day ticket' if you like, but perhaps closer to the time, it may be possible, I just don't want to make any promises we can't keep!

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Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:07

JoJo although it may be easier being in their house it may not be healthy for you. Like staying in the closest hotel to the beach but actually finding it's damp, and makes your asthma worse.

"My Dad would be very upset if I didn't stay with them..." This IMHO has to stop being your priority!

Your father has stood by as your mum has made your early life a misery! His comfort and happiness must stop being your priority.

Maybe if you visit stay in a Travelodge, take your sister out for lunch and go to your family home for a cup of tea if you want.

Google grey rock relationships and just allow yoir mum to be that annoying patch of dry skin on your ankle instead of a full body rash!

Flowers
Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:14

"...she just gets stressed in bigger social situations..." That's fine, of course. "...and that stress is taken out on me. Which is fine..." It's not fine.

Your mum should have removed from the situation or allowed you safe spaces to go to. Your mum taught your sister this appalling response.

Love your sister, care about her, of course but the response she has learned to you is not fine.

"Then normality can resume! " with respect I think you and your new DH need to find a new normal which does not include your being verbally abused by anyone. Find and cherish the good times and remove yourself from the bad times. Decide now who you will live this one precious and fragile life for.

jojo2232 · 17/10/2018 10:14

@7yo7yo I have chatted to her a few times one on one after an incident and told her how it makes me feel, she gets tearful says sorry and I think in that moment she understands however she can't seem to change the behaviour.
I think the issue is the situations she shouts at me in etc, it's because it's stressful for her to be in a big social situation and she has to offload the stress somewhere. I think I'm the safe option because I won't respond, if I did I would be making it more stressful for her. If I do respond, everyone jumps on my back.
The rare occasions that any one else has been in the firing line, everyone's response is quite different... She might get told off and whereas with me, she knows it's a safe bet, I won't say anything, and no one will tell her off.

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lubeybooby · 17/10/2018 10:17

thing is though, isn't she going to do these things anyway as a guest? so I don't see what difference it makes, you're still going to have to deal with her having a difficult time and saying those things to you.

She may as well be bridesmaid while she does it.

Italiangreyhound · 17/10/2018 10:19

...removed your sister (e.g. to a safe space)

"I know how selfish that may sound..."

Oh the ironey! It doesn't sound at all selfish. It sounds normal.

"... and honestly thought I was just having a major bridezilla moment and was so ready to be told how unreasonable I'm being by everyone but perhaps I'm allowed one day!"

Your mum has managed to convince you that you are not worthy even on your own wedding day. Have you seen a counsellor to talk about how much these experiences have messed with your mind?

"I'm happy for someone to keep my sister company perhaps in the evening, we're pretty tight on numbers and so right now I couldn't necessarily offer a whole 'day ticket' if you like, but perhaps closer to the time, it may be possible, I just don't want to make any promises we can't keep!"

Sounds like a plan but do remember tgis us tour special day. Smile