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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not have my sister as Bridesmaid?

156 replies

jojo2232 · 16/10/2018 16:33

Pretty new here so forgive me if I don’t get the lingo right!
Tricky one, long one so bare with me.

My DM is insisting my little sister is a bridesmaid at my wedding – she absolutely has to and I’m a monster and a shit sister if I don’t have her etc. It got really heated, she’s said some horrible things to try and guilt trip me in to doing this but here’s the reasons I don’t want her to be, and please read past the next line.

My DS is autistic. I love her and one on one we get on very well and have had lovely trips to London, Dublin etc just the two of us.
However, when it comes to being with lots of other people, mainly family, her behaviour towards me changes. This is learned and associated behaviour with my mother. She copies lots of things and sadly she spent most of my life watching my mum shout at me, say horrible things to me, and continually be very negative about me when I’m there and when I’m not. I officially moved to a city a few hours away at 16 after spending a couple of years staying over at friends whilst essentially being homeless. Thus, this is how my sister treats me when she is around me and other family members. She struggles in any situation really where she isn’t getting one on one attention, and that’s fine, I love spending time with her one on one. However, come my wedding day, I won’t be able to do that.
When I’m around family, my sister repeatedly shouts at me a bunch of stuff but there are a couple of lines that are consistent – ‘don’t laugh at me jo’ ‘don’t laugh’ ‘stop talking’ ‘stop annoying me jo’ ‘ you’re not allowed to drink tonight’ ‘I don’t like it when everyone drinks’
So on and so forth. It may seem hard to believe, but all of the above, is often when I’m sat minding my own business, not making eye contact with her, not smiling, not laughing etc – I often sit this way, eyes down, not talking to anyone etc to avoid upsetting her/being shouted at. You may think, oh don’t be so insensitive, she’s autistic, she can’t help it etc . I get that. However, having to sit through entire family meals where I cannot say a word, or laugh without getting told off and often being told off anyway, it takes it’s toll. My partner was completely shocked and very upset the first time he witnessed this. My sister inlaw took me to the side and asked why everyone treats me this way and since then my brother has been a lot nicer to me – I think she had a word – that particular occasion, I lost it and said Jem, I’m not laughing at you or at all, please leave me alone – to which everyone jumped on my back for getting on to my sister, despite me putting up with jibes politely for an hour whilst no one said anything to her about it.
She has negative connotations with alcohol because my dad likes a drink and can be a bit loud, and my mum makes a big thing out of it, which results in stressing my sister out more than is necessary.
You see the above may not seem all that bad, but here’s how I see my wedding day going.
Get ready with my bridesmaids, have some prosecco for the nerves. Fine, lovely time.
If my sister’s there, get told off for drinking, get told I’m making her upset because we are drinking, get told off for smiling, get told off for laughing – all of the while this is upsetting her. This will go on for a lot of the day, as obviously a lot of the day is spent with bridesmaids etc.
So my issue is NEITHER of us will enjoy the day. I won’t be able to give her one on one attention as there will be lots of other things to think about on the day. All of my favourite people in one room, so lots of people to chat to.
Whereas, if she is with my DM or DB etc… they can focus on her and make sure she is enjoying the day, she gets on really well with my brother (she wasn’t a bridesmaid at his wedding though, despite the fact she spends significantly more time with my brother and his wife – my mum worships the ground he and his wife walk on, always has and thus any decisions they made for their wedding were not questioned) and thus she will enjoy her day more and I’ll at least have one less worry of someone enjoying themselves and be left to do as I please without being told off throughout the day?
I’ve explained all of the above to my M but she still says I am unfair and being horrible to exclude my sister in this way. She will probably never get asked to be a bridesmaid now etc etc…
I’d like to ask my younger cousin (8) to be a flower girl but my mum says that is even more disrespectful to my sister. I am very close with my younger cousin, I’ve been an au pair for her since she was young, and I see her once a month or so and we have a very lovely bond.

AIBU?!!?!?!

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Gemini69 · 16/10/2018 17:52

Fuck the Compromising bollocks and Fuck the being nice to suit everyone else on Your WEDDING DAY.... Hmm

Make your own decisions.. and if they don't like it they don't need to attend... Flowers

twiglet · 16/10/2018 17:52

I think the idea of giving her a job such as confetti is a great one. I also think the best way to deal with your mum is to ask your sister if she would like to do the special job in front of her that way if she is excited about it then your mum won't say anything further as your sister will be looking forward to it.

Although I don't think you should call her bridesmaid as it will give your mum ammo such as why isn't she in all the bridesmaid photos, why are you excluding her getting ready etc.

It's completely understandable not to have her as a BM having a relaxing morning is important.

TurtleCove · 16/10/2018 17:56

Yanbu. Having her as a bridesmaid will add more stress and spoil your day. Don't let your DM dictate YOUR wedding.

Blueberry001 · 16/10/2018 17:59

I got married a couple of years ago and had 1 bridesmaid who made the morning of my wedding unbearable.

Totally out of control, couldn’t stand the attention not being on her, did everything she could to stand out and be centre of attention. Ruined my ceremony video as all you can hear is her.

It makes me so cross when I look back, and our relationship has been strained ever since.

I didn’t particularly want her as a bridesmaid either but felt backed into a corner and the fact ‘I had too because she is practically family’.

Do what you want, you only get one wedding (hopefully!).

perfectstorm · 16/10/2018 18:04

I have an ASD child. I also have an ASD sibling. Your mother is totally to blame for choosing to treat you as she has done - sure, having an ASD child can be challenging but you work that bit harder at helping the non-ASD child have attention, time, and a share of financial resources spent on them too. Instead, she's used you as the family scapegoat. She's a disgrace of a mother and doesn't deserve a child as kind, loving and understanding as you are.

I'm really, really sorry you've had to cope with this. It isn't your fault, it wasn't your doing, and it's emotional abuse. Well done you for building a lovely adult life after being so badly let down as a child.

Don't give in and don't be guilt tripped. I'm afraid I suspect that if you do agree to have her as BM on the understanding she gets ready somewhere else and sits at another table, that will just become the next battle (and your mother is entirely likely to just turn up with her on the wedding morning, if you did hold your nerve) so you won't have gained anything in terms of family peace, anyway. The special role in preparation is a great idea, but your mother can do one. She's bloody lucky to be asked at all herself.

I hope you have an absolutely lovely wedding.

Skippingabeat · 16/10/2018 18:10

Also as a mom of two autistic boys and a teen girl, I'm sorry you went through all this.
And I also don't think UABU. Siblings of kids with autism have a very stressful life. I don't think you need to go through this stress on your wedding day too. Include her in other ways like others have suggested, but stand your ground. Her being a bridesmaid won't be fair on both of you.

WhyOhWine · 16/10/2018 18:14

Some great ideas here, and you seem lovely. I think I would:

  1. get her a bridesmaid dress and call her bridesmaid, but let her get ready with your bro (or mum if she is getting ready separately, which is what i would want in your shoes).
  2. To explain why she is arriving separately at the church from the other bridesmaids, give her something to do that involves her arriving at the church/venue early, e.g. usher type duties or accompanying your mother (an important person as MOB) down the aisle because your dad will be with you - a bit like Beatrice at Eugenie's wedding.
  3. As others have suggested, plan something she will enjoy that will make her feel involved and maybe involves spending some one on one time.
4 Agree sit her with your bro rather than top table, but see if you can engineer it so that it feels to her like this is her choice. I would also sit the small flower girl with her family rather than on top table so your sister is not the only one. I think you could do all of this in a way which makes her feel involved and special, and which is more enjoyable for her than being a full bridesmaid. Unfortunately, however, i think it will require some co-operation from your mum to big up the importance of her role but query if she will do that.
lalalalyra · 16/10/2018 18:24

You obviously love your sister, that is abundantly clear and you've done amazing to put up with everything you've dealt with.

What about having your sister as a BM, but she and your Mum have their hair done and get ready at your Mum's, then meet you at the venue. That way your Mum and sister get a nice morning, but also so do you. You have it with your other bridesmaids and everyone arrives at the venue relaxed and happy.

Where will you spend the night before the wedding? Is her getting ready with your Mum possible?

A friend of mine was in a similar situation and - and I'm not saying spend a fortune as I know not everyone can - they hired a car to collect her parents and her sibling. It was very similar to the car the rest of the wedding party got collected in later. So they were part of it, but they were in their own house right up until the last minute.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/10/2018 18:27

Could she wear something similar to bridesmaids and perhaps have the job of 'escorting' your mother* to her seat just before the ceremony starts? That way she'd get to walk down the aisle but would still be close to your mum in case she needs special attention.

*Don't know if your dad is involved/around but she could escort both of them if he's not taking you down the aisle.

Quartz2208 · 16/10/2018 18:32

Ok first off there is a lot of what your Mum wants - what does your sister want

Then I wonder if you dont have a set idea of what a flowergirl is and what you want your bridesmaids to be (around you etc). But for me really a bridesmaid just wears a dress and walks down the aisle - make her one of those alongside the flower girl - that is what she wants rather than all the other stuff

Take the royal wedding BEatrice was her maid of honour but she did that in her own way (making sure her Mum was ok and out of her hair). Bridesmaid and flower girls can be whatever YOU want them to be

Persiangirl · 16/10/2018 18:36

DO WHAT YOU WANT - I didn’t, I was rail roaded into having 6 bridesmaids when really I should’ve had one and one of them in particular ruined a lot of the day. I’m so angry AT MYSELF still for not going with my head and heart. Regret it years later.
Don’t have her.

FlowThroughIt · 16/10/2018 18:42

NOOOOOOO to your sister as a bridesmaid and I'm kind of surprised you want your Mother there tbh. She sounds like a right hag.

Cupcakecafe · 16/10/2018 18:49

I'm having my sister as bridesmaid because I felt like it was the right thing to do. It's an absolute nightmare and I wish I hadn't.

My mother refused to come wedding dress shopping with me unless my sister got to pick her bridesmaid dress either before I chose my wedding dress or on the same day. My sister came to one wedding dress shop with me, i tried on 2 dresses before she decided she was bored and wanted to look at bridesmaid dresses instead so complained until we left.

The hair trial consisted of her complaining that she wanted to go first. Then picking a style that required quite long hairand then deciding she wanted it cutting into a bob a few weeks later.
Spent the make-up trial complaining that she would only wear certain colours even though the make-up artist said they wouldn't work with the colour of the dress, then eventually said she loved it and it was perfect - until the make-up artist left and she said she hated it and wondered if she'd do different foundation, eyebrows and lipstick (instead of just asking the make-up artist).

She complained about having to get her dress altered, refused to get out of bed for any appointments, complained that she's expected to get ready with me the morning of the wedding, complained about the guest list, the table plan, the menu choices, the drinks that are provided at no cost to them etc etc etc.

Just don't do it!!!

Spankyoumuchly · 16/10/2018 18:50

jojo, I'm the only child of two abusive parents. Ds1 is autistic. I realised when I was on a course about autism that I am too. Even though I have an autistic ds, I have a ds2. He is protected as much as I can from his brother's aggressive and sometimes scary looking behaviour. I have a dh, but he knows less about it than me. I don't see either of our abusive parents anymore, so me and dh are on our own. We have no safety net. It is frightening, exhausting and uses up all of our energy. But, unlike your mother, I will not under parent my ds2 because ds1 has additional needs. I choose not to cross the line where I don't consider him. Your mum has let you down. You are not second best.
She chose this behaviour towards you and it makes me sad. Don't make excuses for her choice to treat you like she did.
I feel we need to be accountable for our actions.
I feel sympathy for my abusive mother as my dad groomed her from a young age as she had an abusive mother. He looked like her rescuer but was a worse person than she could have imagined. But, her behaviour towards me was still her choice and I can't forgive her.

MynameisJune · 16/10/2018 19:25

I have an autistic brother, I know that every day since he was born he has been my mums almost sole focus. And that’s fair enough, I understand. We didn’t need her as much as he did. Siblings of autistic children make sacrifices that many people don’t understand.

So it’s okay to not have her as a bridesmaid. For once it should be about you, and that’s okay. You don’t have to feel guilty for wanting one day where you are the sole focus.

If you can find a way to include her then that’s great, but if not don’t feel an ounce of guilt.

OnlyLittleMissOrganised · 16/10/2018 20:16

I really feel for you with this. YANBU. Are you having an order of service/the day or such like? If you are maybe you could ask her to either hand those out or put them on seats. Also confetti if you are having that could she be in charge of making sure everyone gets some or again putting it on seats. Final idea is asking her to make sure people have signed the guest book. Obviously if she is uncomfortable talking to strangers putting the things in seats makes a better option.

Or would she be able to do a reading? Or she could have the honour of holding your bouquet when you do the rings bit of the ceremony. What about her being one of your witnesses?

After all you have said I wouldn’t have her it is your special day.

OnlyLittleMissOrganised · 16/10/2018 20:17
  • as a bridesmaid in your special day. The above options may offer an alternative however.
NewName54321 · 16/10/2018 21:15

Tell everyone you are only having child attendants/ flower girls. Maybe have a Matron of Honour if you have one person who would naturally fulfil this role.

All other adults who might have been chosen as a bridesmaid get a different role - special attendant, lady usher, whatever. Including sister, who gets the Beatrice role: Sitting with Mother.

loobylou10 · 16/10/2018 22:00

Contact Sibs on www.sibs.org.uk. They are there to support siblings of disabled children and may be able to give you some advice.

teawamutu · 16/10/2018 22:07

Another vote for witness here. I didn't have bridesmaids at all and my mum was upset, but having the 'I'm not legally married if my sister doesn't do her bit' card to play was v useful.

justilou1 · 16/10/2018 22:11

Can you give her another role and call it something else? Like a flower girl and call it “Chief Brides Sister?” And then have her sit with your parents after, so she’d be happier?

Mayhemmumma · 16/10/2018 22:12

Honestly I think I'd elope! Your sisters behaviour is something but your family's reaction is terrible! Sad to think of you sat there head down.

You mum must realise how it will be for your sister and her wanting to effectively upset both daughter's is so wrong.

Go to vegas

7yo7yo · 16/10/2018 22:12

Op what would happen if you told DSis which bits of her behaviour upset you? Has she got the ability to modify it? Eg no shouting, nice comments only etc.
I feel sorry for you and would have her as bridesmaid only if she gets ready and stays with your mum.
Don’t let it all be your mums way. If your mum says it’s not acceptable say well that’s your decision so you and sis won’t be attending then? Make it HER choice between them Both attending on your terms or not attending at all.
Ask DB and DSIL to run interference.

cookiesandchocolate · 16/10/2018 22:32

Agree with everything you've said however if you don't have your sister you will always be know as the bride who didn't her her sister with autism to be her bridesmaid.

Rednaxela · 16/10/2018 23:04

Your family sound shit. Using you as a scapegoat or to carry the can.

The reality is you getting married is the start of you building your own family unit with DH. Starting your own traditions and living life the way you both want to. No justifying or explaining to anyone else.

By being an unreasonable twat your DM is busy writing herself out of that future.

Based on my experience of a scapegoating twat of a DM, LET HER.

The sister issue is a red herring actually. This is about your mother attempting to control you.

I cannot believe that your brother's wedding came and went without a peep on not having DSis as bridesmaid.

How dare DM carry out this golden child/scapegoat bullshit.. enough is enough. She can fucking do one Grin